Offices of the emerald magistrates and Southern Blockade

This has been a point of some debate for a little while.

If I play Southern Blockade on another player's province, can he use the reaction from Offices to pay for the Limited ability granted to him to remove the Southern Blockade from play? Their argument is that the limited action is granted by a strategy card. My argument is that the limited ability is not a strategy, just an action granted to them by one.

Offices of the emerald magistrates Reaction: When paying the Gold cost of an action on a Strategy, if you control a Magistrate: Produce 2 Gold.

Southern Blockade Open: If it is not the active player's first turn of the game: Target a province and put this card into play. While this card remains in play, Personalities and Holdings will not enter play from that province and its player has the ability "Limited: Pay 4 Gold: Discard a card in play titled Southern Blockade."

So I saw this ruling. I don't believe the previous rulings for Ring of Water/Ring of Void can be applied here.

The text of Offices of the Emerald Magistrates specifically says an action "on" a strategy, rather than the "from" phrase used on the Rings.

From the Glossary

On An ability, a trait or a keyword on a card is one either printed on the card, or granted to it by some effect.

The ability granted to the player is not on Southern Blockade (as an ability), It is granted to the player, by Southern Blockade. Therefore it is "From" and also an "Effect" of Southern Blockade, but not an ability "On" Southern Blockade. Thus doesn't apply to the Gold Generation Ability (the Reaction) of Offices of the Emerald Magistrates which is looking for an ability "On" a strategy. Otherwise "From" and "On" are redundant terms in the glossary and we should get rid of one of them to avoid this sort of confusion.

Believe me I wish it were otherwise, but the rules just don't say that.

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http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Card_features#Abilities

"Embedded text Embedded text appears within a trait or ability in quotation marks (") and usually is part of an effect that grants the embedded text as a trait or ability. Any features of embedded text are not a part of the text that contains them."

The ability "Limited: Pay 4 Gold: Discard a card in play titled Southern Blockade." is not granted to the Southern Blockade strategy card, but to the player who owns the targeted province.

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Effects "Targeting, costs, effects and actions come “from,” or are done by, the card where the thing in question is originally physically printed. If it is printed in the rulebook then the effect is not from any card." "EXCEPTION 3: Effects of traits and abilities given to other cards, copied from other cards, or on created cards, come from the card they are currently on. " I note that this exception only applies to card, and not to abilities given to players directly. Does this mean that any ability granted to a player directly is 'done by' the card that granted the ability originally?

Is the bow action granted to a player by the event I Am Ready considered an effect from a card and thus able to be negated by Courage?

What about Yoritomo Okitsugu's ability "Recon Limited: Target a Province. While they remain at its battlefield, your Followers whose units assigned there have the ability, "Battle: Bow this card: Ranged 3 Attack.""? Since the ability is granted to the followers, but 'on' Okitsugu according to the current ruling, can I bow Okitsugu to pay the "bow this card" cost of the ability granted to and performed by the follower? Since each follower is granted the ability "Battle: Bow this card: Ranged 3 Attack." but the ability is still 'on' Okitsugu, I assume the followers are unable to use the granted ability if Okitsugu is unable to perform actions, as Okitsugu and the follower using the granted ability would both be considered to be performing due to http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Glossary_P-Q#Perform "Perform A Personality or Follower is performing an action if its controller is the player taking the action (or, if the Personality or Follower is out of play, if its owner is the player taking the action), and any of these things is true: * The action is from an ability on the Personality or Follower. "

With regard to this. @Akodo Gilador: Not to belabor the point too much. But the exception you quoted doesn't apply as the action isn't granted to a card. And even if it were, the ability would be on and from the card granted that ability not the card that granted the ability, per the quoted rules text. Therefore, would not be an ability on or from Southern Blockade. There may be something else in the rules that does this, but this ain't it.

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Since the Limited ability granted to the player whose province was targeted by Southern Blockade is considered to be 'on' the card, does this mean that Storm-filled Sails' granted Battle action is considered to be 'on' its card? As such, does it now count as a Thunder action?

Thunder Limited: Until the turn ends, you have the ability, "Battle: Attach a target attachment from your hand to your target Personality. If this attached a card, draw a card."

I'm going to use Storm-filled Sails "Thunder Limited: Until the turn ends, you have the ability, "Battle: Attach a target attachment from your hand to your target Personality. If this attached a card, draw a card."" as the primary example because it was convenient, but this applies to any card which grants an ability to a player directly and then leaves play, like I Am Ready, etc. Since the granted ability is considered 'on' the card that granted it according to current rulings, and the cards in question do not have specific exemptions allowing the granted abilities to be used while the card its on is out of play, is the granted action unusable? http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Abilities_and_actions (emphasis mine) "Like traits, abilities on cards not in play or in a resolution, entering-play or focusing area may not be used."

Continuing from this thread, please clarify which abilities on these cards can be used:

Extensive Training Battle/Open: Give your target unbowed Samurai the ability, "Battle: Ranged 4 Attack".

Fortune Favors the Bold Until your next turn begins, you have the ability, "Reaction: When another player's Battle action would target one of your cards in a unit at the current battlefield: Choose another of your cards in a unit at the current battlefield. The action targets that card instead, if legal."

Generosity Until your next turn begins, all players have the ability, "Reaction: When paying a Gold cost, once per game: Produce 3 Gold".

Lavish Gift Open: If it is not your turn: Target another player. You give him a lavish gift. He gains the ability,"Reaction: When paying a Gold cost: Produce 1 to 10 Gold. All other players gain Honor equal to the amount of Gold this produced." Gain 1 Honor.

Waylay the Messenger Open: Bow your performing Scout: Target a province. During the next battle this turn at that province's battlefield, you have the ability, "Battle: Choose your performing unbowed Scout: Ranged 6 Attack." Before this turn ends, if there were never any units on the enemy side at that province's battlefield, put this card into your hand.

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So...Do you have any final decision about the cards nerfed to oblivion or not?

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