Arranged Guilt and losing the game

L5R CCG Rules board, 10 March 2011

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A player, 10 March 2011

Situation:

I was on -18 honour, my opponent was on -15. He played Arranged guilt on a 3ph. I pointed out he loses the game as the person was 3 personal honour but he says that the honour loss for kiling the person doesn't happen to after the action. Is this true?

Card text: Limited: Dishonor and destroy your target unbowed Courtier or Magistrate Personality: Dishonor another player's target Personality. You, then that Personality's owner, each lose 3 Honor.

Might seem a silly question but i want to know for sure. Thanks in advanced,

Dario

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 10 March 2011

I was on -18 honour, my opponent was on -15. He played Arranged guilt on a 3ph. I pointed out he loses the game as the person was 3 personal honour but he says that the honour loss for kiling the person doesn't happen to after the action. Is this true?

No.

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Physically_mark ... shonorable: "After a dishonorable Personality is destroyed, the player who controlled him or her loses Honor equal to the Personality's base Personal Honor." Nothing there about "after an action." It's right away pronto.