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Shosuro Ohba: Scorpion Clan Ninja: Ohba has +1F for each Poison token in the current enemy army.
If someone has 3 poison tokens on him and he is facing ohba in battle does ohba lose his +3f bonus for the poison tokens and his printed force if another effect sets Ohba'ss force to 0? or is it just Ohba's printed force value that gets put to 0 leaving him with just his +3f poison token bonus?
Shosuro Ohba: Scorpion Clan Ninja: Ohba has +1F for each Poison token in the current enemy army.
If someone has 3 poison tokens on him and he is facing ohba in battle does ohba lose his +3f bonus for the poison tokens and his printed force if another effect sets Ohba'ss force to 0? or is it just Ohba's printed force value that gets put to 0 leaving him with just his +3f poison token bonus?
When an action sets someone's force to a value, all bonuses and penalties are included in that calculation, including bonuses and penalties from traits, tokens and actions.
Shosuro Ohba's Force would be reduced to 0.
In reference to: "samuraiZr0 wrote:Shosuro Ohba: Scorpion Clan Ninja: Ohba has +1F for each Poison token in the current enemy army.
If someone has 3 poison tokens on him and he is facing ohba in battle does ohba lose his +3f bonus for the poison tokens and his printed force if another effect sets Ohba'ss force to 0? or is it just Ohba's printed force value that gets put to 0 leaving him with just his +3f poison token bonus?
Kaiu Genji wrote: [u][b]When an action sets someone's force to a value, all bonuses and penalties are included in that calculation, including bonuses and penalties from traits, tokens and actions. Shosuro Ohba's Force would be reduced to 0. "
If you add another poison token after ohba's force is reduced to 0 would you gain a +1F bonus for each new token placed after the reduction? also If you play a card's action such as "crushing strength" to add a +3f to current personality would that work?
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If you add another poison token after ohba's force is reduced to 0 would you gain a +1F bonus for each new token placed after the reduction? also If you play a card's action such as "crushing strength" to add a +3f to current personality would that work?
Yes and yes.
Per Setting stats to a value, when Ohba's Force is set to 0, he is given "the smallest possible appropriate penalty such that it reaches that value". In your example, Ohba has a base Force of 2 and there are 3 Poison tokens in the current enemy army so his current Force is 5 and the appropriate penalty to set it to 0 is -5F. To set a stat to zero does not mean that its value will remain zero until the turn ends, whatever new bonuses are given; it just means that the stat's value falls to zero due to an appropriate penalty.
If there is a new Poison token in the current enemy army, his trait increases his Force. Per Calculating stats, its value becomes : 2 (base Force) + 4 (trait) - 5 (penalty) = 1. The Force bonus from Crushing Strength would apply too: 2 (base Force) + 3 (trait) - 5 (penalty) + 3 (Crushing Strength) = 3.
Yes and yes.
Per Setting stats to a value, when Ohba's Force is set to 0, he is given "the smallest possible appropriate penalty such that it reaches that value". In your example, Ohba has a base Force of 2 and there are 3 Poison tokens in the current enemy army so his current Force is 5 and the appropriate penalty to set it to 0 is -5F. To set a stat to zero does not mean that its value will remain zero until the turn ends, whatever new bonuses are given; it just means that the stat's value falls to zero due to an appropriate penalty.
If there is a new Poison token in the current enemy army, his trait increases his Force. Per Calculating stats, its value becomes : 2 (base Force) + 4 (trait) - 5 (penalty) = 1. The Force bonus from Crushing Strength would apply too: 2 (base Force) + 3 (trait) - 5 (penalty) + 3 (Crushing Strength) = 3.
I'd also like to point out that there is a FAQ entry about just this point: http://rules.l5r.com/CE_FAQ#When_stats_ ... applied.3F
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