Matsu Kasei movement

L5R CCG Rules board, 30 May 2010

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A player, 30 May 2010

Okay, I know that this has probably been asked and answered before, but I looked up "movement", "kasei", and "rule of location" and found no results on this so...

Matsu Kasei

"Battle: Move a target Personality to the current battlefield if there are any units there on the side opposing his controller's. Straighten him if he moved."

The way this card reads to me is: "Move any personality to the battle as long as it would be opposed."

However, last night, I was playing in a game where Kasei got reduced to 0 by a nerve strike. I then moved him home, and attempted to use his effect.

My opponent said because of the rule of location, since Kasei is not present, he cannot use his action on anyone but himself.

Now, we went with that ruling, but I wanted to clarify this, because my issue is that Matsu Kasei has an effect that is similar the same effect as the fate card 'Unwavering Assault':

"Target a Samurai Personality in your home: Straighten his unit. Move him to the current battlefield."

It just does not make any sense to me as to why a fate card and a personality that do the same thing don't work the same way.

Could someone please enlighten me on this is? Because the way I'm seeing this is that the player was either using an outdated ruling or they were being... dishonest... and I'd really, really like to not think that they were.

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 30 May 2010

Okay, I know that this has probably been asked and answered before, but I looked up "movement", "kasei", and "rule of location" and found no results on this so...

Matsu Kasei

"Battle: Move a target Personality to the current battlefield if there are any units there on the side opposing his controller's. Straighten him if he moved."

The way this card reads to me is: "Move any personality to the battle as long as it would be opposed."

However, last night, I was playing in a game where Kasei got reduced to 0 by a nerve strike. I then moved him home, and attempted to use his effect.

My opponent said because of the rule of location, since Kasei is not present, he cannot use his action on anyone but himself.

Now, we went with that ruling, but I wanted to clarify this, because my issue is that Matsu Kasei has an effect that is similar the same effect as the fate card 'Unwavering Assault':

"Target a Samurai Personality in your home: Straighten his unit. Move him to the current battlefield."

It just does not make any sense to me as to why a fate card and a personality that do the same thing don't work the same way.

Could someone please enlighten me on this is? Because the way I'm seeing this is that the player was either using an outdated ruling or they were being... dishonest... and I'd really, really like to not think that they were.

Don't forget: Nerve Strike prevents the target from performing actions as well. Matsu Kasei could not have used his action to move in regardless.

Assuming Matsu Kasei was merely sent home (while still straightened) and he would be opposed, he can use his ability to move himself (and only himself) into the battle.

See http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Battles#Rule_of_Presence for the exception that allows Matsu Kasei to move himself to a battlefield where he would be opposed.