Shrine to Yoritomo + Oni-Daikyu

L5R CCG Rules board, 14 April 2010

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 14 April 2010

I couldn't find anything in the archives to answer this question, so my apologies if it's been asked before in similar manner.

Shrine to Yoritomo Relevant Text: Your personalities have +1F while they have an attachment.

Oni-Daikyu Relevant Text: Battle: Destroy this card: Destroy a target enemy Follower, or Personality without Followers, with greater Force than this Personality.

Does Oni-Daikyu check the enemy Follower or Personality's Force before or after its destruction?

Example: I have a 3F Personality with an Oni-Daikyu (and no other attachments) at a battle. I also control Shrine to Yoritomo, meaning my Personality is 4F. My opponent controls a 4F Personality with no Followers. Can I use the action on Oni-Daikyu to destroy the enemy Personality, since he will have more Force than my Personality after the attachment is destroyed?

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 14 April 2010

I couldn't find anything in the archives to answer this question, so my apologies if it's been asked before in similar manner.

Shrine to Yoritomo Relevant Text: Your personalities have +1F while they have an attachment.

Oni-Daikyu Relevant Text: Battle: Destroy this card: Destroy a target enemy Follower, or Personality without Followers, with greater Force than this Personality.

Does Oni-Daikyu check the enemy Follower or Personality's Force before or after its destruction?

Example: I have a 3F Personality with an Oni-Daikyu (and no other attachments) at a battle. I also control Shrine to Yoritomo, meaning my Personality is 4F. My opponent controls a 4F Personality with no Followers. Can I use the action on Oni-Daikyu to destroy the enemy Personality, since he will have more Force than my Personality after the attachment is destroyed?

Remember the order of taking actions

A) Announce Action B) Declare Targets --->Force is checked here, so in your situation the 4F personality would be an illegal target C)Pay Costs --->Kaboom goes the Daikyu assuming you had a legal target D)Effects --->Kaboom goes the follower or personality assuming you had a legal target E) Action has resolved