A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 12 February 2010
I am just wanting to clarify that my thinking is correct:
I understand that is I have Isawa Fosuta in play, I bow him to use his action, then my opponent takes control of him somehow, that I can negate his straightening (Ruled here).
Does this also mean that I can also continue to have Isawa Fosuta give out tokens each turn, even if he is no longer under my control? I would believe that I could, especially since effect giving tokens is part of the same effect that allows you to negate straightening ("and, at the start of each turn,").
Maho Open: Bow Fosuta: Lose 6 Honor. While Fosuta remains bowed, you may negate his straightening and, at the start of each turn, you may target a Personality and give him a -1F/-1C Curse token. After the next time this game Fosuta straightens or leaves play, destroy all Curse tokens.
Dan Jacobson (rules official), 12 February 2010
I am just wanting to clarify that my thinking is correct:
I understand that is I have Isawa Fosuta in play, I bow him to use his action, then my opponent takes control of him somehow, that I can negate his straightening (Ruled here).
Does this also mean that I can also continue to have Isawa Fosuta give out tokens each turn, even if he is no longer under my control? I would believe that I could, especially since effect giving tokens is part of the same effect that allows you to negate straightening ("and, at the start of each turn,").
Maho Open: Bow Fosuta: Lose 6 Honor. While Fosuta remains bowed, you may negate his straightening and, at the start of each turn, you may target a Personality and give him a -1F/-1C Curse token. After the next time this game Fosuta straightens or leaves play, destroy all Curse tokens.
Currently clearing up specifics in Rules Junta-land now. Will return with results.
Dan Jacobson (rules official), 16 March 2010
I am just wanting to clarify that my thinking is correct:
I understand that is I have Isawa Fosuta in play, I bow him to use his action, then my opponent takes control of him somehow, that I can negate his straightening (Ruled here).
Does this also mean that I can also continue to have Isawa Fosuta give out tokens each turn, even if he is no longer under my control? I would believe that I could, especially since effect giving tokens is part of the same effect that allows you to negate straightening ("and, at the start of each turn,").
Maho Open: Bow Fosuta: Lose 6 Honor. While Fosuta remains bowed, you may negate his straightening and, at the start of each turn, you may target a Personality and give him a -1F/-1C Curse token. After the next time this game Fosuta straightens or leaves play, destroy all Curse tokens.
Apologies for the delayed reply.
You may continue to give out tokens, even if you no longer control him.
I.e. The player that took Isawa Fosuta xp's action is the player that can choose to negate straightening and the player who gives out the -1F/-1C Curse tokens.
A player, 24 March 2010
For some reason I was unable to follow up on this with a reply in the same topic.
From Kaiu Genji on this topic: You may continue to give out tokens, even if you no longer control him.
I.e. The player that took Isawa Fosuta xp's action is the player that can choose to negate straightening and the player who gives out the -1F/-1C Curse tokens.
That being said, if Enticement is played on an unbowed Isawa Fosuta (experienced), the player who played Enticement is the player who gives -1F/-1C Curse tokens?
Togashi Azrael
Dan Jacobson (rules official), 24 March 2010
For some reason I was unable to follow up on this with a reply in the same topic.
From Kaiu Genji on this topic: You may continue to give out tokens, even if you no longer control him.
I.e. The player that took Isawa Fosuta xp's action is the player that can choose to negate straightening and the player who gives out the -1F/-1C Curse tokens.
That being said, if Enticement is played on an unbowed Isawa Fosuta (experienced), the player who played Enticement is the player who gives -1F/-1C Curse tokens?
Togashi Azrael
If the player that played Enticement is ALSO the player who used Isawa Fosuta (Experienced)'s ability, then yes, that is the player who gives the -1F/-1C Curse tokens.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 24 March 2010
For some reason I was unable to follow up on this with a reply in the same topic.
That reason is because, as mentioned in the "Please read" post at the top, the board is deliberately set up so only the Rules Junta members can reply. This prevents confusion as to whether answers are from Rules Team members or not.
We looked into whether the forum software would allow the original poster to reply to his or her own post, which seemed a possible compromise. Unfortunately, this is not currently possible. Sorry. The merged threads are all done manually by one of the Rules Team.