Presence and Location pertaining to The Dead Do Not Rest

L5R CCG Rules board, 5 January 2010

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A player, 5 January 2010

My question is whether this fulfills the exceptions to Location and Presence if you are trying to move units into a battle at a province that you have no units at. I understand that the exception to the Rule of Presence seems to be fulfilled as you are moving one or more of your units into the battle. The rule of Location on the other hand I'm not quite so certain as the exception states "that unit" (full exception below) Now, my confusion is whether the wording saying that unit is meaning the targeted unit or the performing unit.

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Battles Rule of Presence

The Rule of Presence: Battle actions can only be taken by a player who controls a unit at the current battlefield.

EXCEPTION: A player who controls no units at the current battlefield may take a Battle Action whose costs or effects say they are able to move one or more of his units there. The player must then make choices within the action, if possible, such that it does move one or more of his units there, fulfilling Presence.

The Rule of Location: This rule has two parts:

1. A card in a unit must be at the current battlefield to be targeted by a Battle action. 2. If a Battle action is on a card in a unit (a Personality or attachment in play), the unit must be at the current battlefield in order to take that action.

EXCEPTION: As with the Rule of Presence, a Battle action can target or be taken by a card in a unit at another location if its costs or effects say they are able to move that unit to the current battlefield. The player who is taking the action must take choices within the action, if possible, such that they do move that unit there.

viewtopic.php?f=198&t=80887 The Dead Do Not Rest 4g / 3fv Maho * Kiho

Battle: Bow your target Shugenja at any location: Move one to three target Undead Personalities in your home to the current battlefield, even if any of them have been in an attacking army at a battlefield during it's battle's resolution. Straighten their units if they moved. Destroy them after this battle's resolution.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 5 January 2010

My question is whether this fulfills the exceptions to Location and Presence if you are trying to move units into a battle at a province that you have no units at. I understand that the exception to the Rule of Presence seems to be fulfilled as you are moving one or more of your units into the battle. The rule of Location on the other hand I'm not quite so certain as the exception states "that unit" (full exception below) Now, my confusion is whether the wording saying that unit is meaning the targeted unit or the performing unit.

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Battles Rule of Presence

The Rule of Presence: Battle actions can only be taken by a player who controls a unit at the current battlefield.

EXCEPTION: A player who controls no units at the current battlefield may take a Battle Action whose costs or effects say they are able to move one or more of his units there. The player must then make choices within the action, if possible, such that it does move one or more of his units there, fulfilling Presence.

The Rule of Location: This rule has two parts:

1. A card in a unit must be at the current battlefield to be targeted by a Battle action. 2. If a Battle action is on a card in a unit (a Personality or attachment in play), the unit must be at the current battlefield in order to take that action.

EXCEPTION: As with the Rule of Presence, a Battle action can target or be taken by a card in a unit at another location if its costs or effects say they are able to move that unit to the current battlefield. The player who is taking the action must take choices within the action, if possible, such that they do move that unit there.

viewtopic.php?f=198&t=80887 The Dead Do Not Rest 4g / 3fv Maho * Kiho

Battle: Bow your target Shugenja at any location: Move one to three target Undead Personalities in your home to the current battlefield, even if any of them have been in an attacking army at a battlefield during it's battle's resolution. Straighten their units if they moved. Destroy them after this battle's resolution.

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