Bayushi Jutsushi

L5R CCG Rules board, 11 December 2009

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A player, 11 December 2009

To clarify, I read previous rulings that each Bayushi Jutsushi is a seperate effect, so, if a personality assigns and commits seppuku after being targeted by multilple Jutsushis' abilities, are they honorably or dishonorably dead and does the personalities controller lose their Personal Honor if they are dishonorably dead?

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 11 December 2009

To clarify, I read previous rulings that each Bayushi Jutsushi is a seperate effect, so, if a personality assigns and commits seppuku after being targeted by multilple Jutsushis' abilities, are they honorably or dishonorably dead and does the personalities controller lose their Personal Honor if they are dishonorably dead?

Once the personality is dead from seppuku, subsequent effects that dishonor him will make him Dishonorably Dead, but you will not continue to lose that honor, as he was only destroyed once.

However, you will continue to lose the 2 honor from subsequent effects of Bayushi Jutsushi's action.

i.e. Hida Kaoru has been targeted by Bayushi Jutsushi three times. She is then targeted and assigned by Ambush.

A) Effect of Bayushi Jutsushi #1: Hida Kaoru is dishonored. A-1) Hida Kaoru's controller chooses to have her commit seppuku before the 1st honor loss. B) Hida Kaoru's controller loses 1 honor (2 reduced to 1 from the effects of seppuku) C) Effects of Bayushi Jutsushi #2: Hida Kaoru is dishonored again, and her controller loses 2 honor. Hida Kaoru is already dead, so she cannot commit seppuku again to reduce this honor loss. D)Effects of Bayushi Jutsushi #3: The dishonor effect fails (Hida Kaoru is already dishonored), and her controller loses 2 honor. Hida Kaoru is already dead, so she cannot commit seppuku again to reduce this honor loss.

The best thing to do would be to commit seppuku for the effects of Bayushi Jutsushi #3, so at least Hida Kaoru would remain honorably dead. You will still lose a total of 5 honor, however.