A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 30 November 2009
This came up in a game the other day and we weren't sure exactly what to do about it. Player A attacks Player B. After the final battle resolution and that attack phase ends, Player B plays 2 copies of Retribution targeting two different personalities. Personality X has their battle, sees battle resolution, then bows and goes home. Personality 2 then engages in their battle. Player B attempts to use Unwavering Assault to move Personality 1 into the battle with Personality 2.
The questions that arose were whether the two battles occurred in the same Attack phase, or if there were two different Attack phases as a result of the two copies of Retribution played, and then subsequently (assuming they were different phases) whether the prohibition of a personality having seen battle resolution as the attacker related to the entire turn, or just that phase. Thanks.
Retribution Reaction: After the end of an Attack Phase in which you were the Defender: Create an additional Attack Phase of your own in which you must choose the previous phase's Attacker as the Defender. Neither player may invite allies and you may only assign one unit. Give the Personality and each Follower in that unit +1F after it assigns.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 30 November 2009
This came up in a game the other day and we weren't sure exactly what to do about it. Player A attacks Player B. After the final battle resolution and that attack phase ends, Player B plays 2 copies of Retribution targeting two different personalities. Personality X has their battle, sees battle resolution, then bows and goes home. Personality 2 then engages in their battle. Player B attempts to use Unwavering Assault to move Personality 1 into the battle with Personality 2.
The questions that arose were whether the two battles occurred in the same Attack phase, or if there were two different Attack phases as a result of the two copies of Retribution played, and then subsequently (assuming they were different phases) whether the prohibition of a personality having seen battle resolution as the attacker related to the entire turn, or just that phase. Thanks.
Retribution Reaction: After the end of an Attack Phase in which you were the Defender: Create an additional Attack Phase of your own in which you must choose the previous phase's Attacker as the Defender. Neither player may invite allies and you may only assign one unit. Give the Personality and each Follower in that unit +1F after it assigns.
Here's how it's supposed to go.
Player A attacks B.
Player B plays one copy of Retribution. The battle is fought.
After that battle is over, Player B plays second copy of retribution in response to Player A's attack. (Although there has been a lot of stuff in between, you have not passed on the window of opportunity until all players pass on the Reaction trigger consecutively.) That battle is then fought.
You don't play two Reactions and resolve them both concurrently, which seems to be what player B was doing. Actions always resolve completely, one at a time, before going to the next one.
A player, 30 November 2009
This question is a follow up to this question: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=80353&p=1050839#p1050839
On the issue of multiple Retributions, I take the linked response to mean that if two Retributions have been played they create two different attack phases. Correct?
The question then follows, do the multiple copies of Retribution need to be played at the point of the trigger itself, or does the second copy get played after the attack phase created by the first copy?
The reason I ask is that it seems very possible, if the latter case is true, for a first Retribution to be played and the created attack phase resolved, during which the current attacker may draw into yet another Retribution, which they might then be able to use to create a second attack phase.
Thanks in advance.
A player, 30 November 2009
do the multiple copies of Retribution need to be played at the point of the trigger itself, or does the second copy get played after the attack phase created by the first copy?
Alan attacks Bob. After the end of this Attack Phase #1, Bob can play a Retribution to attack Alan. After the end of this Attack Phase #2, Alan can play a Retribution to attack Bob. If Alan plays no Retribution after #2 then the Reaction round "after the end of #1" resumes and Bob can play another Retribution to attack Alan again.