Armor of the Heavens

L5R CCG Rules board, 12 November 2009 to 13 November 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 12 November 2009

When a dishonor personality with armor of the heavens attached is target by Imperial Adjudication, Does the dishonor personality rehonor and thus be able to refuse the duel?

Armor of the Heavens Political Reaction: After another player targets this Personality with an action: Either gain 2 Honor, or have the other player lose 2 Honor.

Imperial Adjudication: Open: Target your unbowed Duelist: He challenges another player's target Personality. If that Personality is honorable, his controller looks at the top three cards of his Fate Deck, then may refuse the duel; if he refuses, bow and dishonor the Personality, and discard those cards. Destroy the duel's loser.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 12 November 2009

When a dishonor personality with armor of the heavens attached is target by Imperial Adjudication, Does the dishonor personality rehonor and thus be able to refuse the duel?

Because Armor of the Heavens responds to targeting, which comes before effects, the Reaction will occur and resolve before the Personality does anything in the duel.

If you choose to gain 2 Honour, your Personality is rehonoured and can then refuse the duel. [Incorrect statement removed: see correction, below.]

A player, 12 November 2009

Zen said: "Incidentally, a dishonored Personality can refuse Imperial Adjudication. Dishonoring is an effect of refusal, not a requirement for refusal."

Isn't being honourable a requirement for the option to refuse an Imperial Adjudication?

"If that Personality is honorable, his controller looks at the top three cards of his Fate Deck, then may refuse the duel"

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 13 November 2009

Zen said: "Incidentally, a dishonored Personality can refuse Imperial Adjudication. Dishonoring is an effect of refusal, not a requirement for refusal."

Isn't being honourable a requirement for the option to refuse an Imperial Adjudication?

"If that Personality is honorable, his controller looks at the top three cards of his Fate Deck, then may refuse the duel"

Doncha hate it when you misread cards? You are correct. Sorry.