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A player, 18 September 2009
Hello Rules Gurus, my question is in regard to the timing for force calculation of Desperate Throw.
Desperate Throw Battle: Destroy a Weapon attached to your target unbowed Personality: Ranged Attack with strength equal to your Personality's Force (after destroying the weapon).
The italics part is reminder text telling us when to calculate the personalities force. Is the force calculation a triggered trait of Desperate Throw and thus would be at part B of the Timing Sequence?
This particularly affects the use of I Carry Two Blades, which is timed at part C of the sequence.
Example sequence of play: 4F personality with two +3F weapons Announce Desperate Throw and targets Pay cost by destroying a +3F weapon - Calculate Force here? Reaction of I Carry Two Blades, reattaching the +3F weapon - Or calculate Force here? Resolve ranged attack
Cheers UK Ronin
Alex Jones (rules official), 18 September 2009
Hello Rules Gurus, my question is in regard to the timing for force calculation of Desperate Throw.
Desperate Throw Battle: Destroy a Weapon attached to your target unbowed Personality: Ranged Attack with strength equal to your Personality's Force (after destroying the weapon).
The italics part is reminder text telling us when to calculate the personalities force. Is the force calculation a triggered trait of Desperate Throw and thus would be at part B of the Timing Sequence?
This particularly affects the use of I Carry Two Blades, which is timed at part C of the sequence.
Example sequence of play: 4F personality with two +3F weapons Announce Desperate Throw and targets Pay cost by destroying a +3F weapon - Calculate Force here? Reaction of I Carry Two Blades, reattaching the +3F weapon - Or calculate Force here? Resolve ranged attack
Cheers UK Ronin
The reminder text is not definitive, it's just a reminder that you check the Personality's force at the point when the Ranged Attack is resolved. As you correctly mention, this is during resolve effects, and will reflect any changes to the Personality's force up to that point, including the destruction of the weapon, the (re-)attaching of new weapon via I Carry Two Blades and any other force bonuses or penalties from Reactions and triggered traits.