Control and its target entering the discard pile

L5R CCG Rules board, 27 July 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 27 July 2009

My opponent uses control on my Goblin. I use Omoni xp2 's Battle/open ability using the "controlled" goblin as the "sacrifice". The next turn I use Omoni xp2 's battle/open to bring the "controlled" goblin back into play. I believe that since the "controlled" goblin was never "out of play" (face down in my dynasty deck/provinces or in my hand, or removed from the game) it doesn't lose the "card memory" of being controlled, but since bringing it into play doesn't "straighten" cards, they simply enter play unbowed, he would enter play unbowed.

So the end result of the above should mean that the goblin that was the original target of control we be; in play, unbowed, and still under the effects of control (assuming my opponents control target has not bowed or left play). Is that correct?

Omoni xp2 's ability: Battle/Open: Destroy one of your Goblin Personalities: Bring a target Goblin Personality from your discard pile into play at Omoni’s location, ignoring its Gold Cost.

Thanks, Mouth (edited because I forgot to include omoni's ability)

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 27 July 2009

My opponent uses control on my Goblin. I use Omoni xp2 's Battle/open ability using the "controlled" goblin as the "sacrifice". The next turn I use Omoni xp2 's battle/open to bring the "controlled" goblin back into play. I believe that since the "controlled" goblin was never "out of play" (face down in my dynasty deck/provinces or in my hand, or removed from the game) it doesn't lose the "card memory" of being controlled, but since bringing it into play doesn't "straighten" cards, they simply enter play unbowed, he would enter play unbowed.

So the end result of the above should mean that the goblin that was the original target of control we be; in play, unbowed, and still under the effects of control (assuming my opponents control target has not bowed or left play). Is that correct?

Omoni xp2 's ability: Battle/Open: Destroy one of your Goblin Personalities: Bring a target Goblin Personality from your discard pile into play at Omoni’s location, ignoring its Gold Cost.

Thanks, Mouth (edited because I forgot to include omoni's ability)

A Personality under the effects of Control remains under Control's effect until he is both face down and out of play.

Even in Death you are under Control

On: Omoni