If I use Secluded Outpost to pay for a personality being brought into play by Will, does the Outpost trigger and allow me to play a follower on the character for 4 less gold?
Will + Secluded Outpost
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If I use Secluded Outpost to pay for a personality being brought into play by Will, does the Outpost trigger and allow me to play a follower on the character for 4 less gold?
Yes.
On: Secluded Outpost
Just a quick follow-up to here to make sure I'm clear on how Secluded Outpost works. If I were to use Secluded Outpost to pay for Houhou's ability, I wouldn't be allowed to attach a spell or follower right away, since I'm paying for an action, and not a personality, correct?
Just a quick follow-up to here to make sure I'm clear on how Secluded Outpost works. If I were to use Secluded Outpost to pay for Houhou's ability, I wouldn't be allowed to attach a spell or follower right away, since I'm paying for an action, and not a personality, correct?
Houhou says, Limited: If Houhou is honorably dead: She rises from the ashes. Bring her into play, paying 4 less Gold. [etc]
To bring Houhou into play by any method, you must pay her gold cost. If you use her ability, her gold cost is reduced by 4, but you're still paying for her, not for the action that brings her into play. This means that you use a Secluded Outpost to pay for her, you can indeed attach a card using the Secluded Outpost.
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regarding this ruling:
Back in Samurai, the cost of Will versus Death after Life was defined such that for Will gold was paying for an action and for Death after Life was paying for the personality. For example, Private Trader produced 3 gold for Will and only 2 gold for Death after Life, and The Khan produced 3 gold for Will and 4 gold for Death after Life if the targeted personality was Cavalry.
Unless there has been a change in the rulebook, Houhou's ability falls under category where you're paying for the personality, while Will falls under the category of paying for a strategy card.
Wouldn't therefore Secluded Outpost be paying the cost of a strategy card and not a personality, so that Will would not allow Secluded Outpost's trait to be applicable?
Back in Samurai...
Stop.
Not in Samurai Edition any more.
In particular, the text of Will changed in Celestial Edition. Will no longer has a gold cost as it did in Samurai Edition.
On: Secluded Outpost