Togashi Sho + Kami Unleashed

L5R CCG Rules board, 13 July 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 13 July 2009

If I use Togashi Sho to perform Kami Unleashed, what is the strength of the Ranged attack if I do not have a Tatoo card in my discard pile?

Togashi Sho Text Dragon Clan • Fire • Monk • Tattooed Sho has +3F if a Tattoo card is in your discard pile.

Kami Unleashed Kami • Tattoo Battle: Target your unbowed Personality, and bow him unless he is Tattooed: Ranged Attack with strength equal to your Personality's Force.

I guess the real question is when Kami Unleashed enters the discard pile. Does it enter as soon as I announce the action (giving Sho the +3 Force and making it a Ranged 7) or not until after the action has been resloved (only making it a Ranged 4, but giving him 7 force imediately after the action is done).

Thank you!!!

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 13 July 2009

If I use Togashi Sho to perform Kami Unleashed, what is the strength of the Ranged attack if I do not have a Tatoo card in my discard pile?

Togashi Sho Text Dragon Clan • Fire • Monk • Tattooed Sho has +3F if a Tattoo card is in your discard pile.

Kami Unleashed Kami • Tattoo Battle: Target your unbowed Personality, and bow him unless he is Tattooed: Ranged Attack with strength equal to your Personality's Force.

I guess the real question is when Kami Unleashed enters the discard pile. Does it enter as soon as I announce the action (giving Sho the +3 Force and making it a Ranged 7) or not until after the action has been resloved (only making it a Ranged 4, but giving him 7 force imediately after the action is done).

Thank you!!!

Kami Unleashed would enter the discard pile after all its effects resolved.

Kami Unleashed would cause a Ranged 4 attack.

After all reactions to targeting/effects, the Ranged 4 attack would resolve, then Sho would gain the +3F bonus from his trait (by the Kami Unleashed card being in the discard pile).