Traditions of Steel with Hamstrung

L5R CCG Rules board, 1 July 2009

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A player, 1 July 2009

A quick question: If I focus both Traditions of Steel and Hamstrung, I decide to reduce Hamstrung to 0, so that I gain 4 honor. What happens next?

Will Traditions of Steel set Hamstrung back to 3: In which case I only gain 1 honor?

Will Traditions of Steel Set Hamstrung back to 3: In which case I still gain the 4 honor?

Will Traditions not work at all, and Hamstrung is sitting at 0?

Alex Jones (rules official), 1 July 2009

A quick question: If I focus both Traditions of Steel and Hamstrung, I decide to reduce Hamstrung to 0, so that I gain 4 honor. What happens next?

Will Traditions of Steel set Hamstrung back to 3: In which case I only gain 1 honor?

Will Traditions of Steel Set Hamstrung back to 3: In which case I still gain the 4 honor?

Will Traditions not work at all, and Hamstrung is sitting at 0?

Hamstrung's Focus Effect reduces its focus value immediately, whereas Tradition of Steel's raises focus values as a delayed effect. Regardless of the order the Focus Effects resolve, Hamstrung's reduction happens before Tradition of Steel's raise: you gain 4 honour from Hamstrung, then its focus value is raised to 3.