A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 23 March 2009
Asahina Beniha
Crane Clan • Air • Shugenja • Courtier Political Open: Target another player's Personality. After the first time this turn he assigns to attack or is destroyed, gain 3 Honor.
Razor of the Dawn Castle
Before another player's card's effect destroys one of your Samurai: Once per turn, you may delay the destruction until the current turn ends.
I make the Benihas ability to a crab clan samurai of my opponent and i destroy him with a "The Bitter Shadow of Shame", for example, and my opponent delayed the destroy with the Razor of the Dawn Castle. Can I win the honor? Thanks.
Dan Jacobson (rules official), 23 March 2009
Asahina Beniha
Crane Clan • Air • Shugenja • Courtier Political Open: Target another player's Personality. After the first time this turn he assigns to attack or is destroyed, gain 3 Honor.
Razor of the Dawn Castle
Before another player's card's effect destroys one of your Samurai: Once per turn, you may delay the destruction until the current turn ends.
I make the Benihas ability to a crab clan samurai of my opponent and i destroy him with a "The Bitter Shadow of Shame", for example, and my opponent delayed the destroy with the Razor of the Dawn Castle. Can I win the honor? Thanks.
The honor is gained when the Samurai is destroyed: At the end of the current turn.
A player, 23 March 2009
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74807&start=0
Razor of the Dawn Castle
Before another player's card's effect destroys one of your Samurai: Once per turn, you may delay the destruction until the current turn ends.
Asahina Beniha
Crane Clan • Air • Shugenja • Courtier Political Open: Target another player's Personality. After the first time this turn he assigns to attack or is destroyed, gain 3 Honor.
Does the delayed destruction occur before, at the same time as, or after the current turn ends?
http://rules.l5r.com/Timing "Responses happening after or before a period of time (such as a turn or phase) do not count as part of that period of time."
If the destruction occurs at the same time as or after the current turn ends, then wouldn't it no longer be "the first time this turn" the target was destroyed?
http://rules.l5r.com/Effects#Ongoing_effects "Ongoing effects last until the end of the turn in which they occur unless otherwise indicated." Doesn't this mean that Beniha's delayed effect ends at the same timing point that the targeted personality's destruction is applied?
Is the "end of the turn/this turn ends" a rulebook procedure/triggered rulebook effect for purposes of the Timing conflict list? http://rules.l5r.com/Timing#Resolving_timing_conflicts http://rules.l5r.com/Sequence_of_play#End_Phase "Subsequent to the end of the End Phase, the player's turn ends. The next player in turn order becomes the active player."
Does this mean that Razor of the Dawn would delay the destruction effect to step D of the conflict list, but the end of turn rulebook effect would go at step C, thus wiping the delayed effect and making Razor essentially complete negation of a destruction effect?
A player, 18 April 2009
Regarding this topic: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74807 . Has there been any resolution to ChrisF's questions?
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 18 April 2009
Doesn't this mean that Beniha's delayed effect ends at the same timing point that the targeted personality's destruction is applied?
Sorry. Still discussing that.
Does this mean that Razor of the Dawn would delay the destruction effect to step D of the conflict list, but the end of turn rulebook effect would go at step C, thus wiping the delayed effect and making Razor essentially complete negation of a destruction effect?
And I'm also sorry I missed this bit. Answer: Definitely not.
Whether Razor delays the destruction until before, during, or after the end of the turn, the destruction will still happen.
It seems like you're suggesting that if the destruction gets delayed past the end of the turn, the turn ending will then "shut off" the destruction because of default effect limits or something. But delayed effects don't get "wiped". They are delayed until the time as they occur, even if that time is some time after the current turn. And Instantaneous effects (such as destruction) don't even HAVE a duration to which they COULD default.