Hida Sozen (exp) and removed from game.

L5R CCG Rules board, 25 February 2009

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A player, 25 February 2009

How does Hida Sozen (exp) interact with destruction effects from cards that have been removed from the game, and face down? Does Hida Sozen (exp) remember/know where his destruction effects came from, even if the card has been removed?

Example:

My opponent has Hida Sozen (exp) in play at a battle.

I have 2 Kokujin Buncho in the same battle. I use both of their abilities on Sozen. I remove both from the game using Determination and any other action that kills my own people. At the end of the battle, Hida Sozen (exp) gets a total of -6chi from cards that are removed from the game.

Questions:

1. Does Hida Sozen (Exp) die at the end of the battle?

2. Does the answer change if I remove the cards that are giving the penalty AFTER they give their penalty? (For example, same Kokujin Bunchos, but I send them home from the battle with Sozen, finish that battle, and kill and remove them from game in a different battle)

thanks, Andrew

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 25 February 2009

How does Hida Sozen (exp) interact with destruction effects from cards that have been removed from the game, and face down?

If an effect was generated by an action, it remains generated by an action even if the card the action was printed on is removed from the game.