Spider Clan Strongholds + Desperate Plea (THW)

L5R CCG Rules board, 14 November 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 14 November 2008

I tried a search for this one, and Desperate Plea didn't come up anywhere, hopefully this hasn't already been asked and answered.

Desperate Plea: Unique Political Limited: Gain 5 Honor. Permanently reduce the strength of each of your provinces by 5. After your next Events Phase begins, lose 5 Honor; effects do not negate or reduce this loss

and the Spider Clan Strongholds (for example, The Spider's Lair: You do not lose Honor from Fate and Spider Clan cards you own. In your Dynasty Phase, one time for each of your provinces destroyed this game, you may refill a Province face-up.

Does the Spider Clan ignore the 5 honor loss that happens on the next turn?

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 14 November 2008

I tried a search for this one, and Desperate Plea didn't come up anywhere, hopefully this hasn't already been asked and answered.

Desperate Plea: Unique Political Limited: Gain 5 Honor. Permanently reduce the strength of each of your provinces by 5. After your next Events Phase begins, lose 5 Honor; effects do not negate or reduce this loss

and the Spider Clan Strongholds (for example, The Spider's Lair: You do not lose Honor from Fate and Spider Clan cards you own. In your Dynasty Phase, one time for each of your provinces destroyed this game, you may refill a Province face-up.

Does the Spider Clan ignore the 5 honor loss that happens on the next turn?

Spider Clan's "do not" is neither a negation nor a reduction. In fact, that "lose 5 honor" never happens for a Spider's Lair player.

See here for more information on "do not" as it pertains to game text.

Enjoy your 5 honor for 6 gold!