Strange Assembly + Norikazu Sensei

L5R CCG Rules board, 27 September 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 27 September 2008

Does Strange Assembly create a new victory condition or does it just modify an existing one? Specifically, will it resolve if my opponent's sensei is Norikazu? Thank you!

Strange Assembly For the rest of the game, a player wins instantly if his Family Honor is ever 8 or more points above the amount required to win an Honor Victory. This does not apply to players unable to achieve an Honor Victory.

Norikazu Sensei No Events resolve except those that create new victory conditions.

Ruling for Norikazu Sensei: Affects Events that modify existing victory conditions.

[Mod edit: Thread title. -ZF]

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 27 September 2008

Does Strange Assembly create a new victory condition or does it just modify an existing one?

New condition. If it modified an Honor Victory, it would say something like, "A player wins an Honor Victory immediately if..."

A player, 27 September 2008

This ruling: http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=71050

seems a bit contradictory to me with this older one:

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=64935&p=834583&hilit=shoju#p834583

If Strange Assembly creates a new victory condition, it should bypass Shoju Sensei, or the other way around. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 27 September 2008

This ruling: http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=71050

seems a bit contradictory to me with this older one:

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=64935&p=834583&hilit=shoju#p834583

If Strange Assembly creates a new victory condition, it should bypass Shoju Sensei, or the other way around. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

Both rulings are correct.

Strange Assembly does create a new victory condition. Its second sentence then says, "This does not apply to players unable to achieve an Honor Victory." So, at any time that you are prevented from achieving an Honor Victory, you are also prevented from achieving Strange Assembly's victory condition by its own text.