Gunso Chitose/Kyuden Kyotei/targeting

L5R CCG Rules board, 25 August 2008 to 3 September 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 25 August 2008

Regarding this question.

I had a similar situation and decided that the action would fail. I think the following exerpt from the Comprehensive rules applies:

From the point when an action is announced legally, to the point after reactions to a particular targeting have taken place, if anything interferes so that the particular required targeting can no longer be met (including reactions to the targeting itself), the action fails. Its effects do not resolve, further targeting does not take place, and its costs are waived. It is still considered taken, but not resolved. If it was on an Action card, the card is discarded normally. [CLARIFIED Feb 5 2008; each piece of targeting is considered separately]

Clearly, the reaction on Kyuden Kyotei and Doji Chitose's reaction following it take place between the legal announcement of the action and "the point after reactions to a particular have taken place" and, assuming that Doji Chitose removes the only legal target from a given battle, "the particular required targeting can no longer be met" and the action fails with all the described consequences.

Is it so?

thanks,

A player, 3 September 2008

Starting from 1 October 2008, you will not be allowed to take Kyuden Kyotei's Reaction before an Action card turns face-up by being put into a resolution area because the turning face-up is from the rulebook, not the action itself.

Here is Kyuden Kyotei's new text (underlined text is new). Political Reaction: Even if this Stronghold is bowed, if you control the Imperial Favor, before a Fate card out of play turns face-up from an action, trait, duel, or from being discarded: Give the card +1 Focus Value when it turns face-up.