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Darkness Unleashed: Kiho Battle: Target your unbowed Monk: Ranged Attack equal to your Monk's entering-play Honor loss. You may target an enemy Personality or Follower and reduce its Force by your Monk's Chi.
Half of the spider clan monks: Spider clan * Monk no entering play honor loss.
Would Darkness Unleashed create a ranged 0 for the no entering-play honor loss? or would there be no ranged attack and only the force reduction?
Darkness Unleashed: Would Darkness Unleashed create a ranged 0 for the no entering-play honor loss?
Yes. The glossary entry for "Entering play honor loss" has been updated to clarify such situations.
http://rules.l5r.com/Glossary_E#Enterin ... Honor_loss: "The highest amount of Honor loss caused by any one trait on a card that is triggered by it entering play, or zero if there is no such trait on the card." (Emphasis added on the new bit.)
echo42 wrote: Darkness Unleashed: Would Darkness Unleashed create a ranged 0 for the no entering-play honor loss? Yes. The glossary entry for "Entering play honor loss" has been updated to clarify such situations.
http://rules.l5r.com/Glossary_E#Enterin ... Honor_loss: "The highest amount of Honor loss caused by any one trait on a card that is triggered by it entering play, or zero if there is no such trait on the card." (Emphasis added on the new bit.)
ok, so correct me if i'm mistaken here, but what you're saying is that all personalities cause an entering play honour loss of zero...
Zero is the "entering-play Honor loss" of any Personality with no trait on her causing an Honor loss that is triggered by her entering play, like "Lose 5 Honor" on Daigotsu Meguro.
However remember that, per "The player, Family Honor" (emphasis added): "An Honor gain of 0 points is not considered a gain for things that check whether a gain happened. Likewise, an Honor loss of 0 points is not considered a loss for such things."