A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 2 June 2008
If I'm not above my starting Family Honor, can I play "Lies, Lies, Lies..." with Determination to gain full 8 Honor?
Lies, Lies, Lies... Political Limited: If you have no cards in play or in your discard piles that cause their player an Honor loss or have the Shadowlands, Ninja, or Kolat keywords: Gain 8 Honor; this gain can not raise your Family Honor above its starting value.
Determination Dark Virtue Reaction: Before you announce an action, target one of your Samurai: The action can not have its effects negated or have its targeting changed. After the action destroys any Personality, remove him from the game.
Thanks.
A player, 2 June 2008
If I'm not above my starting Family Honor, can I play "Lies, Lies, Lies..." with Determination to gain full 8 Honor?
No. Thanks to Determination, the partial negation of "this gain can not raise your Family Honor above its starting value" can not be negated so it still limits the gain of 8 Honor, even if this gain can not be negated due to the same Determination.
See also: "Parley and Determination".