Death Poem and Heated Discussion

In my limited phase, I play Death Poem (Honorable Personalities have +1F while opposed and attacking. Before any Personality is destroyed during a battle this turn, rehonor him.) Later in my limited phase, I start a heated discussion.

During the heated discussion battle, I attempt to destory one of my opponent's people. As the active player, Do I choose the order in which both of the before death effects resolve (Heated Discussion's death negation and Death Poems rehonoring) or does Heated Discussions effect somehow over ride Death poem?

Both Death Poem's and Heated Discussion's effects have the same trigger and are the same type of effect. Thus, as the active player, you would decide the order they occur.

Citation, from the order in which triggers are resolved: "D. Apply any delayed effects that resolved previously and are timed to the trigger (such as, “After the next time this turn he assigns…”) The active player decides the order in which more than one of these effects apply."

Also note, no matter which you choose to happen first, they will both occur. Even if you choose Heated Discussion to go first, and a Personality dishonors "instead" of being destroyed, that doesn't erase the fact that Death Poem's trigger happened and that its effect will take place*. (See this ruling about Kyoso no Oni Exp3 for a similar circumstance.)

*fixed example sentence via edit.

Wouldn't Death Poem's effect never trigger during Heated Discussion? In a Heated Discussion, death has already been substituted by dishonoring instead throughout the entire battle. There is no trigger for Death Poem's effect because it already happened the moment you played it until the battle ends.

Ah, well... no, no, and no (in that order).

The problem is, you're not seeing accurately what Heated Discussion is doing. It doesn't change destruction to dishonoring once, and then have that effect last for the entire battle. What it does is change destruction each time it occurs ("During the battle, before any Personality is destroyed, dishonor him instead.").

That's the same thing that Death Poem is doing. And, although the effect is different, it has the exact same timing trigger ("Before any Personality is destroyed during a battle...").

Thus, the active player chooses the which effect happens first each time that trigger occurs (but, I'll mention again, both effects will happen regardless of the order chosen; see the Kyoso ruling link above).

I believe MacBeth is misreading the cards.

Oh, he doesn't do that. Misreads portents to think they mean he should be King of Scotland, maybe -- but not cards.

He's saying that both cards are trying to do the same thing, but they're not - Death Poem inserts something before destruction, whereas Heated Discussion replaces the destruction with something else entirely. Personalities still die under Death Poem.

I'm sorry I wasn't more specific above. The "same thing" that both cards do is create Indefinite conditional effects. I see, in my first reply, I accidentally flip-flopped Death Poem and Heated Discussion, saying that the former caused the "instead" effects when it was the latter (fixing!). Sorry if that muddled things, but the answer is still correct.

The question, as I understand it, is what happens when both are in effect? Does Death Poem's rehonoring occur before or after the dishonoring? Is it your choice? Does it even occur, since Heated Discussion specifies that no one will be destroyed in this battle?

Once more, with feeling:

1. Both create Indefinite conditional effects. These effects are timed to the exact same trigger ("before any Personality is destroyed... (D/d)uring (the/a) battle..."), which means...

2. The active player chooses which is applied first. Before its destruction, he could have a Personality Rehonor (due to Death Poem) and then be dishonored instead (due to Heated Discussion), or he could have it be dishonored instead (due to HD) and then Rehonor (due to DP). Ah! Ah! Don't think you've caught me on this second example; just because the destruction is replaced with dishonoring first doesn't mean Death Poem's effect loses its trigger and doesn't happen. Please see this ruling if you don't believe me.

3. As I told Nolian (and, ironically, as he said himself, "the rule sheet Stronger than Steel says that this is not a negation of destruction"), Heated Discussion doesn't stop destruction for the whole battle before it begins; it changes each individual destruction just before each occurs. (See #1)