Kaiu Shoichi+Removing the advantage+Insurmountable Obstacle

L5R CCG Rules board, 20 May 2008 to 21 May 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 20 May 2008

Kaiu Shoichi 3F, 3C 5/5/2 Crab Clan * Samurai * Engineer * Siege

Reaction: After engaging, if Shoichi is in the current attacking army and it has fewer units than the opposing army: The Defender chooses units in his current army equal to the difference. Move them home.

Removing the advantage 0 Reaction: After engaging in a battle: Negate the effects of the first Terrain action or action on a Region any other player takes during this battle. Reaction: After engaging in a battle, if you control a unit at the current battlefield: Play a Terrain card as an additional Battle action.

Insurmountable Obstacle 0GC Terrain Battle: After each time an action moves a Personality home from this battlefield, dishonor him. You may take an additional Battle action after playing this Terrain.

Alight my question is this: I attack with Kaiu Shoichi, the other player defends with 4 guys. Both Removing the advantage and shoichi both trigger at the same time; "after engaging", so I chose order of resolution. So I trigger Removing to play Insurmountable Obstacle, then trigger shoichi to force the other player to move home 3 of his guys dishonoring each of them.

This right?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 20 May 2008

Kaiu Shoichi 3F, 3C 5/5/2 Crab Clan * Samurai * Engineer * Siege

Reaction: After engaging, if Shoichi is in the current attacking army and it has fewer units than the opposing army: The Defender chooses units in his current army equal to the difference. Move them home.

Removing the advantage 0 Reaction: After engaging in a battle: Negate the effects of the first Terrain action or action on a Region any other player takes during this battle. Reaction: After engaging in a battle, if you control a unit at the current battlefield: Play a Terrain card as an additional Battle action.

Insurmountable Obstacle 0GC Terrain Battle: After each time an action moves a Personality home from this battlefield, dishonor him. You may take an additional Battle action after playing this Terrain.

Alight my question is this: I attack with Kaiu Shoichi, the other player defends with 4 guys. Both Removing the advantage and shoichi both trigger at the same time; "after engaging", so I chose order of resolution. So I trigger Removing to play Insurmountable Obstacle, then trigger shoichi to force the other player to move home 3 of his guys dishonoring each of them.

This right?

I think these are Words and Deeds cards, so you might want to check the sticky. We're not quite ready to answer questions on these yet.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 21 May 2008

I attack with Kaiu Shoichi, the other player defends with 4 guys. Both Removing the advantage and shoichi both trigger at the same time; "after engaging", so I chose order of resolution. So I trigger Removing to play Insurmountable Obstacle, then trigger shoichi to force the other player to move home 3 of his guys dishonoring each of them. This right?

That all looks correct.