Tsuruchi Etsui (Experienced) and Doji Doukihito

L5R CCG Rules board, 10 May 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 10 May 2008

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Doji Doukohito Crane Clan • Samurai • Magistrate Battle: If any attacking enemy Personality at the current battlefield has lower Personal Honor than Doukohito: Move Doukohito there. Bow all dishonorable Personalities there. You may take an additional Battle action

Daidoji Kikaze (Experienced) Crane Clan • Daimyo • Samurai • Scout • Duelist • Harrier • Experienced • Unique • Loyal Battle: If you are the Defender: Straighten one or more of your target Personalities. Move them to the current battlefield. You may take an additional Battle action.

Tsuruchi Etsui (Experienced) Mantis Clan • Pirate • Naval • Kolat • Experienced • Unique Once per game, after Etsui enters play or overlays: You may target a Personality. Until the end of the game, he cannot assign or move to battlefields unless Etsui is bowed or out of play.

ok say etsui has targeted kikaze with his trait when he entered play. can Kikaze use his battle action if he is controled by the defending play in an attack if he has unit there, and if he deosnt have units there? and what about douikihito as well?

[Mod edit: Thread title. -ZF]

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 10 May 2008

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Doji Doukohito Crane Clan • Samurai • Magistrate Battle: If any attacking enemy Personality at the current battlefield has lower Personal Honor than Doukohito: Move Doukohito there. Bow all dishonorable Personalities there. You may take an additional Battle action

Daidoji Kikaze (Experienced) Crane Clan • Daimyo • Samurai • Scout • Duelist • Harrier • Experienced • Unique • Loyal Battle: If you are the Defender: Straighten one or more of your target Personalities. Move them to the current battlefield. You may take an additional Battle action.

Tsuruchi Etsui (Experienced) Mantis Clan • Pirate • Naval • Kolat • Experienced • Unique Once per game, after Etsui enters play or overlays: You may target a Personality. Until the end of the game, he cannot assign or move to battlefields unless Etsui is bowed or out of play.

ok say etsui has targeted kikaze with his trait when he entered play. can Kikaze use his battle action if he is controled by the defending play in an attack if he has unit there, and if he deosnt have units there? and what about douikihito as well?

[Mod edit: Thread title. -ZF]

All of these questions are variations of, "Can I take an action if an effect that makes it legal is negated?"

To which the answer is, "Yes."

http://rules.l5r.com/Battles#Rule_of_Presence: "Even if the movement is known beforehand to fail -- for example, due to ongoing negation effects, or due to the unit having been in an attacking army during the Resolution Segment of another battle -- the action can still be taken, because of the Blind cards rule."

See also http://rules.l5r.com/FAQ#Is_an_action_l ... _happen.3F