Earthen Guardians, created personalities & rule of presence

L5R CCG Rules board, 1 May 2008

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A player, 1 May 2008

Can one use Earthen Guardians to create a personality at a battlefield when you have no units present? I found this ruling on the forums:

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=59063&p=760435&hilit=earthen+guardians#p760435

However, p. 43 of the rulebook glossary was pointed out to me, which states under under the definition of army:

"One or more units on one side at a battlefield. However, when a side has no units, the term "army" does not restrict actions that move units there, create units there, or count the number of units there. See "Attack Phase" p 33."

How does this interact, if at all, with the rule of presence?

Alex Jones (rules official), 1 May 2008

Can one use Earthen Guardians to create a personality at a battlefield when you have no units present? I found this ruling on the forums:

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=59063&p=760435&hilit=earthen+guardians#p760435

However, p. 43 of the rulebook glossary was pointed out to me, which states under under the definition of army:

"One or more units on one side at a battlefield. However, when a side has no units, the term "army" does not restrict actions that move units there, create units there, or count the number of units there. See "Attack Phase" p 33."

How does this interact, if at all, with the rule of presence?

An action that moves a unit into an empty army implicitly breaks the Rule of Presence, because of the exception. However, an action that creates a unit in an empty army must explicitly break the Rule of Presence, using text similar to "Even if you have no units at the current battlefield, ...".