Unspoken Threats & Daigotsu Masami

L5R CCG Rules board, 9 April 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 9 April 2008

After some searching, I didn't find an answer that I thought would work, so if you would please clarify:

Daigotsu Masami Spider Clan. Samurai. Shadowlands. Lose 4 Honor. After the first time each turn Masami leaves play, he permanently gains +1F. Limited: If Masami is dead: Discard a card in one of your provinces, refilling it face up with Masami.

Unspoken Threats Political Limited: Bow one of your target Courtiers: Target another player's Human Personality. While your Courtier remains in play, after each time that Personality assigns or moves to attack one of your Provinces, his controller loses 2 Honor.

Chuka Ikumi Spider Clan. Shugenja. Shadowlands. Lose 4 Honor. Battle: Any number of times per turn, destroy one of your cards in this army: Ranged Attack whose strength equals the card's Force before it was destroyed, and which you may compare against a Personality's Chi instead of Force

Play Order

I bow a Courtier-A to play Unspoken Threats on Daigotsu Masami

On opponents turn, she attacks with Daigotsu Masami (loses 2 honor due to the Unspoken Threats), then uses Chuda Ikumi's battle action to put Daigotsu Masami in the ground. my Courtier-A is in play.

I play my turn, Courtier-A is still in play.

Opponents next turn, she uses Daigotsu Masami's Limited Action to put him into a province, and in the Dynasty Phase, into play.

My question: Is my Unspoken Threats still in effect on Daigotsu Masami, as my Courtier-A is still in play?

Thanks in advance.

[Mod edit: Formatting removed. -ZF]

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 9 April 2008

I bow a Courtier-A to play Unspoken Threats on Daigotsu Masami. On opponents turn, she attacks with Daigotsu Masami (loses 2 honor due to the Unspoken Threats), then uses Chuda Ikumi's battle action to put Daigotsu Masami in the ground. my Courtier-A is in play. I play my turn, Courtier-A is still in play. Opponents next turn, she uses Daigotsu Masami's Limited Action to put him into a province, and in the Dynasty Phase, into play.

Is my Unspoken Threats still in effect on Daigotsu Masami, as my Courtier-A is still in play?

Yes.

http://rules.l5r.com/Glossary_W: "While (i)ndicates a condition that applies if something is true over a given period. 'While he is dishonorable, he has +2F' means that for the duration of the effect he gets +2F at any time he is dishonorable. If he becomes honorable, and then dishonorable again, during this period he would get the +2F."