Re: Fury of the Dark Lord

L5R CCG Rules board, 21 March 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 21 March 2008

Just wanted to properly understand a situation with Fury of the Dark Lord and Duty.

I control a 5G Shugenja, a 5G Courtier and a 5G Samurai and the opponent plays a Fury. Now, as mentioned in this thread:http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=60614&p=774790&hilit=fury+of+the+dark#p774790 I can use my Samurai to play Duty, negating the Destruction of either the Shugenja or the Courtier. My question is this: Do all the destructions happen at the same time or consecutively? If they happen consecutively, wouldn't my opponent be able to choose that my samurai will die first, then the Shugenja, then the Courtier (or any other order for that matter) since it is his turn?

Fury of the Dark Lord:

Limited: Destroy each Personality with a base Gold Cost equal to or less than his controller’s Stronghold’s Gold Production plus 2. Remove all Personalities in discard piles from the game.

Duty:

Bushido Virtue Reaction: Before another player’s card’s effect destroys one of your Personalities, destroy one of your honorable Samurai Personalities at the same location: Negate the first Personality’s destruction.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 21 March 2008

Do all the destructions [from Fury of the Dark Lord] happen at the same time or consecutively? If they happen consecutively, wouldn't my opponent be able to choose that my samurai will die first, then the Shugenja, then the Courtier (or any other order for that matter) since it is his turn?

All destructions from Fury of the Dark Lord happen simultaneously.

http://rules.l5r.com/Effects#Order_of_effects: "If multiple effects are caused by a single piece of text they occur simultaneously, unless otherwise specified by language such as “consecutively.” Examples: “Bow all Oni”; “Dishonor two Samurai”."

What you may be thinking of, in regards to your opponent choosing the order of effects, is when two or more different effects (like multiple delayed effects or triggered traits) try to happen at the same time. As in:

http://rules.l5r.com/Timing: "If the order of simultaneous triggers to an occurrence needs to be determined, the active player determines their order."