Justly Earned Victory vs. Vision of Pan'ku

L5R CCG Rules board, 18 January 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 18 January 2008

I saw a similar topic dealing with Obsidian Champion in the rules forum, but it didn't quite answer my question, apologies if I missed it during my search. Basically, if I play and action to give one of my personalities a permanent force boost through something like Vision of Pan'ku or Arrival of the Obsidian Champion, and it is negated by Justly Earned Victory. Would the force boost return once the turn ends or does it getting negated by Justly Earned Victory destroy the force bonus completely?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 18 January 2008

(I)f I play and action to give one of my personalities a permanent force boost through something like Vision of Pan'ku or Arrival of the Obsidian Champion, and it is negated by Justly Earned Victory. Would the force boost return once the turn ends or does it getting negated by Justly Earned Victory destroy the force bonus completely?

http://rules.l5r.com/Effects#Duration_o ... on_effects: "(A) non-continuous negation effect should be interpreted as an instantaneous negation that only ends existing ongoing effects, with no effect on continuous effects or new ongoing effects."

http://rules.l5r.com/Effects#Duration_of_effects: "Ongoing effects last until the end of the turn in which they occur unless otherwise indicated. For instance, 'permanent' or 'until' a certain game time are phrases that override the default 'end of turn' duration."

Permanent force bonuses are ongoing effects. They are negated. They don't come back.