A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 12 January 2008
This happened in a game at our local store today, though I was told by the person who actually used this tactic, that he had it used on him at the Topaz Championship in Niles, IL. I was attacking him, with Daigotsu, Katsu, and Daigotsu Hidetsugu. He had Utaku Yu-Pan, and several other Personalities which I don't remember the name of. In any case, I elected to resolve the battle next to mine first, as it was a multiplayer game and my ally was attacking there. Long story short, he failed to take the Province, though all Personalities there were removed from that site. Then, I elected to resolve my battle with Yu-Pan and my main attacking force. My opponent then used Yu-Pan to move Daigotsu to the Province that we had just resolved the battle at. According to him (and with vigorous disapproval from two other players, and myself), Daigotsu was then left in limbo. As the initial Battle at that Province had already been resolved, he insisted that Daigotsu (whose unit, by the way, was at 11 Force, more than enough to take his Province by himself) was unable to fight at all and take that Province.
Now, our objection was spurred on by the fact that one of my allies in that fight pointed out that the rules had never allowed that sort of thing to happen, and in fact it had been expressly disallowed in prior arcs. So, I was told to come here, and quesition you on the topic. We are honestly absolutely confused and perplexed by this particular rules problem. Hope I'm not resposting an earlier question; I couldn't find any similar topic on the boards...thanks in advance.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 12 January 2008
This happened in a game at our local store today, though I was told by the person who actually used this tactic, that he had it used on him at the Topaz Championship in Niles, IL. I was attacking him, with Daigotsu, Katsu, and Daigotsu Hidetsugu. He had Utaku Yu-Pan, and several other Personalities which I don't remember the name of. In any case, I elected to resolve the battle next to mine first, as it was a multiplayer game and my ally was attacking there. Long story short, he failed to take the Province, though all Personalities there were removed from that site. Then, I elected to resolve my battle with Yu-Pan and my main attacking force. My opponent then used Yu-Pan to move Daigotsu to the Province that we had just resolved the battle at. According to him (and with vigorous disapproval from two other players, and myself), Daigotsu was then left in limbo. As the initial Battle at that Province had already been resolved, he insisted that Daigotsu (whose unit, by the way, was at 11 Force, more than enough to take his Province by himself) was unable to fight at all and take that Province.
Now, our objection was spurred on by the fact that one of my allies in that fight pointed out that the rules had never allowed that sort of thing to happen, and in fact it had been expressly disallowed in prior arcs. So, I was told to come here, and quesition you on the topic. We are honestly absolutely confused and perplexed by this particular rules problem. Hope I'm not resposting an earlier question; I couldn't find any similar topic on the boards...thanks in advance.
Mod reminder: Please mention Experience levels if a card has them. Thanks.
Assuming you're talking about the Experienced Utaku Yu-Pan... Yu-Pan moves things to "Provinces," and that wording has now been replaced.
But there is no rule that a unit cannot be moved to a resolved battle. Pretty sure there never has been.
A player, 13 January 2008
Zen Said: "Mod reminder: Please mention Experience levels if a card has them. Thanks.
Assuming you're talking about the Experienced Utaku Yu-Pan... Yu-Pan moves things to "Provinces," and that wording has now been replaced.
But there is no rule that a unit cannot be moved to a resolved battle. Pretty sure there never has been."
First of all, yes, I was talking about the experienced Yu-Pan you referred to. I apologize, I didn't think it worth identifying, as the experienced Yu-Pan is the only one legal in the most current edition of the game. My mistake, I'll keep that in mind for the futre.
Secondly, ok, fair enough that she can send people to a Province in which a battle has been resolved. But, what happens after that? You can't seriously be saying that Yu-Pan can throw someone into a Battlefield that has already been resolved, and since it's already been resolved, nothing can happen with him at that Battlefield. I mean, that's just silly. From my understanding, Daigotsu would have taken that Province, as he has more than enoguh Force to do so. So, would have have made a second Battlefield for him there (since the rules state that a Battle can only be fought at a given Battlefield exactly once)? Because if he would just sit in limbo at a Battlefield that had no defenders, simply because a Battle HAD been fought there...I weep for your ruling problems that will come...
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 13 January 2008
(Utaku Yu-Pan Experienced) can send people to a Province in which a battle has been resolved. But, what happens after that?
http://rules.l5r.com/Battles#After_Resolution: "If no battlefields that haven’t resolved a battle remain, then all units still at battlefields return home, are bowed by resolution if they were attacking or allied, and all battlefields cease to exist." (Emphasis added.)
You can't seriously be saying that Yu-Pan can throw someone into a Battlefield that has already been resolved, and since it's already been resolved, nothing can happen with him at that Battlefield.
There is no rule that a Personality in a resolved battle can't be targeted (although the Rules of Presence and Location will rule most actions out). A Personality in a resolved battle does not become immortal, just hard to hit.
(I mean, that's just silly.
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