Legacy overlay question

L5R CCG Rules board, 29 December 2007

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A player, 29 December 2007

OK, so according to this :http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=64251

In Legacy, I have Bayushi Paneki XP2 in play, and I overlay with Bayushi Paneki XP4

Bayushi Paneki trait says : While Paneki is in play, X happens. As he is still considered in play and the effect is ongoing, the trait should still work on the overlay right? So my opponent hand should be still face-up.

Am I getting the rules correctly here?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 29 December 2007

OK, so according to this :http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=64251

In Legacy, I have Bayushi Paneki XP2 in play, and I overlay with Bayushi Paneki XP4

Bayushi Paneki trait says : While Paneki is in play, X happens. As he is still considered in play and the effect is ongoing, the trait should still work on the overlay right? So my opponent hand should be still face-up.

Am I getting the rules correctly here?

That's it, yes.

A player, 29 December 2007

In reference to this question about overlaying.

I am sorry but I don't understand Zen's answer. The new rule about overlaying only refers to ongoing effects. Isn't Bayushi Paneki Experienced 2's first trait more continuous than ongoing ? I read the "Duration of effects" rules and it seems to me that the sentence "Other players' hands are face-up while Paneki is in play" looks like a non-triggered trait (with a condition), which means a continuous one, doesn't it ?

Thanks for your time.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 29 December 2007

In reference to this question about overlaying.

I am sorry but I don't understand Zen's answer. The new rule about overlaying only refers to ongoing effects. Isn't Bayushi Paneki Experienced 2's first trait more continuous than ongoing ? I read the "Duration of effects" rules and it seems to me that the sentence "Other players' hands are face-up while Paneki is in play" looks like a non-triggered trait (with a condition), which means a continuous one, doesn't it ?

Thanks for your time.

Hm. I missed that the Experienced 2 Bayushi Paneki's trait is not an ongoing effect, so doesn't fall under the current rule. Thanks for the catch.