About Death After Life and Loyal

L5R CCG Rules board, 27 November 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 27 November 2007

[Mod edit: Coloured text removed. Red text is reserved for mod use. Please do not use coloured text, particularly red. Thanks! -ZF]

It's something about the answer of this post:Here

Loyal ------- A Personality with the Loyal keyword cannot be controlled by a player who does not share a Clan alignment with that Personality - either by bringing into play or by changing control. From Rules

Death after Life -------------------- Reaction: After one of your Personalities is destroyed during battle: Lose 5 Honor. Target a dead Personality in your discard pile, or in any discard pile if you are a Spider Clan player. Permanently give him Shadowlands and Undead. Bring him into play in your current army, ignoring restrictions (paying all costs).

Let Them Fight Their Dead -------------------------------- Maho Kiho Battle: Target one of your unbowed opposed Shugenja: Target a dead Personality the enemy leader owns. Lose 5 Honor. Bring him into play, in your army, waiving costs and ignoring restrictions. After the battle ends, destroy him.

My question is this with an example:

I as a Spider clan payer bring Chagatai into play from the other's discard pile(he is death). Can I? If I can, with the card. What happens at the end of the battle?

With the Loyal rule in the hand I cannot control him because I'm not neither an Unicorn nor a Shadowlands player. So what happens? Must I discard him after entering play? Is he mine forever? (at the end of the game I'll return it)

I'm sorry for being too long but it's more easy to follow the question with all the texts in it.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 27 November 2007

I as a Spider clan payer bring Chagatai into play from the other's discard pile(he is death). Can I?

Yes.

If I can, with the card. What happens at the end of the battle?

Because the Loyal restriction has been waived, you now control it, and it goes to your home. (Fixed.)