Re: Soul Jar, Again

L5R CCG Rules board, 27 November 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 27 November 2007

In viewtopic.php?f=59&t=63668 it is said that the term "this personality" always applies to the personality that the Soul Jar is attached to at the moment that one looks. In essence, this is saying that the ability on Soul Jar, which creates an ongoing effect, is in fact integral to the Soul Jar rather than to the performing personality.

It has long been my understanding that when one uses an ability on a spell or item, "this personality" refers to the performer. Thus, the spell Companion Spirit works. In the referenced ruling above, the following steps would occur:

Companion Spirit 1) Limited: If this Shugenja is Human, bow him 2) and destroy this card: 3) Create a Cavalry, Samurai, Spirit Personality whose base Force, Chi, Gold Cost, and Personal Honor are those of this Shugenja, waiving the Samurai's Gold Cost.

By my current understanding of how to read "this personality" (or "this shugenja" since Shugenja is the keyword that the spell looks for) there is no personality to draw stats from and all mentioned stats are set to zero.

Is this correct?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 27 November 2007

Is this correct?

No.

First, I am reasonably sure there is no rule that "this Personality" by default refers to the performer. See http://rules.l5r.com/Special_wording_ru ... _to_things

Second, although previous posts have emphasized that "this Personality" has a specific definition, context still matters. "This Personality" means the card something is attached to -- except when it can't mean that. Because, say, the card is destroyed (like Companion Spirit). That's the First Cardinal Rule.

I appreciate the desire for consistency, but the Soul Jar ruling has been stable for many months now. Please think carefully before making additional posts on this topic. Thanks!

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