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A player, 13 November 2007
Here, Marty says that Triumph's ongoing effect is to create "new" effects each time it's "triggered", thus an out-of-play card could not receive the bonus from the "new effects".
I don't understand how these "new, triggered" effects are any different from any other delayed effect which WOULD affect an out-of-play card as ruled here. I don't see where it can be gathered from the rules that a delayed effect triggered by an ongoing effect means that it's a "new, child" effect of the effect that created it. ALL delayed effects are the result of an ongoing effect, aren't they? If they were instantaneous or continuous, they wouldn't be delayed in the first place.
Please, could a reversal be considered, or at least a clarification be made on this ruling to help bridge the gap in my understanding?
Martin Lund (rules official), 19 November 2007
Here, Marty says that Triumph's ongoing effect is to create "new" effects each time it's "triggered", thus an out-of-play card could not receive the bonus from the "new effects".
I don't understand how these "new, triggered" effects are any different from any other delayed effect which WOULD affect an out-of-play card as ruled here. I don't see where it can be gathered from the rules that a delayed effect triggered by an ongoing effect means that it's a "new, child" effect of the effect that created it. ALL delayed effects are the result of an ongoing effect, aren't they? If they were instantaneous or continuous, they wouldn't be delayed in the first place.
Please, could a reversal be considered, or at least a clarification be made on this ruling to help bridge the gap in my understanding?
This is under discussion, just FYI.