Courage in Death & You die with me.

L5R CCG Rules board, 12 November 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 12 November 2007

You Die With Me! Heroic Reaction: After another player resolves a Battle action which destroyed one of your Hero Personalities: Destroy a target Follower, or Personality without Followers, in the current enemy army.

Courage in Death Reaction: Before one of your Personalities is destroyed during battle: Give another target Personality a Force bonus equal to your Personality's Chi. If you are a Crab Clan player, delay your Personality's destruction until after the battle ends.

Just to check, can I play the 2 reactions on the same death ?

If so can you describe me the timing please.

Thanks

Martin Lund (rules official), 12 November 2007

You Die With Me! Heroic Reaction: After another player resolves a Battle action which destroyed one of your Hero Personalities: Destroy a target Follower, or Personality without Followers, in the current enemy army.

Courage in Death Reaction: Before one of your Personalities is destroyed during battle: Give another target Personality a Force bonus equal to your Personality's Chi. If you are a Crab Clan player, delay your Personality's destruction until after the battle ends.

Just to check, can I play the 2 reactions on the same death ?

If so can you describe me the timing please.

Thanks

Yes, unless you are a Crab Clan player.

The timing is pretty simple. Courage in Death says, "Before one of your Personalities is destroyed during battle," which means you have to play it before he's destroyed.

And You Die With Me says, "After another player resolves a Battle action which destroyed one of your Hero Personalities," which means you have to play it after the Battle action in question resolves all its effects that weren't Delayed.

So the Action starts to apply its effects. When it goes to kill your Personality you drop Courage in Death before he dies. If you are a Crab Clan player, he doesn't die at all right now, but rather that effect is Delayed until the battle ends.

Assuming you are not a Crab Clan player, the Action finishes resolving effects, killing your Personality along the way. Once it has finished resolving you play You Die With Me.

If you are a Crab Clan player, when the Action finishes resolving it hasn't killed your Personality yet, so you can't play You Die With Me, and by the time he DOES die it is too late to take a Reaction to the action Resolving - it already resolved during the Combat Segment.