A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 10 November 2007
In reference to my last question about Triumph of Courage.
OK, I take note that "any new +1 bonuses effects [Triumph of Courage] tries to create still fail on an individual basis if Matsu Takeko is out of play when they try to resolve". Thanks for this new answer that confirms previous ones.
However please may you explain why Triumph of Courage's delayed effect "After each time this turn a Battle action resolves (including this one), give him +1F", that was activated while Takeko was in play, fails to be applied while she is dead ? I wrongly thought a delayed effect could apply to an out-of-play card if this card was in play when that effect was activated, as suggested in CR, Effect, Effects in and out of play: "[...] Effects that were activated regarding a card in play, and then delayed, also apply to the card at the delayed point in time, even if it is no longer in play". Why please isn't this rule relevant, regarding Triumph of Courage ?
Thanks again for your help.
Martin Lund (rules official), 13 November 2007
In reference to my last question about Triumph of Courage.
OK, I take note that "any new +1 bonuses effects [Triumph of Courage] tries to create still fail on an individual basis if Matsu Takeko is out of play when they try to resolve". Thanks for this new answer that confirms previous ones.
However please may you explain why Triumph of Courage's delayed effect "After each time this turn a Battle action resolves (including this one), give him +1F", that was activated while Takeko was in play, fails to be applied while she is dead ? I wrongly thought a delayed effect could apply to an out-of-play card if this card was in play when that effect was activated, as suggested in CR, Effect, Effects in and out of play: "[...] Effects that were activated regarding a card in play, and then delayed, also apply to the card at the delayed point in time, even if it is no longer in play". Why please isn't this rule relevant, regarding Triumph of Courage ?
Thanks again for your help.
"After each time this turn a Battle action resolves (including this one), give him +1F"
Is an on-going effect that looks for a trigger and creates a new effect.
Each individual +1F bonus is a distinct effect on the target card. It does not apply or exist until a trigger is met. If the card is not eligible for new effects to be applied to it (because it is out of play), that individual +1F effect fails.
The on-going "parent" effect that triggers to produce those "child" effects, however, continues until it is Negated or its duration Expires, as do any +1F bonuses that successfully resolved.