Razor of the Dawn Castle, Unexpected Intimidation, etc.

L5R CCG Rules board, 9 November 2007

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A player, 9 November 2007

In response to the question posed below:

Hida Utaemon said: "Hi, another question here:

I play razor of the dawn Castle. During a battle, i play Impressive resilience on one of my samurai. My opponement targets that samurai with Unexpected Intimidation. As the move and the bowing are negated, the card kills my samurai; but i delay the death with Razor of the dawn Castle.

At the end of the turn, my samurai dies. Can i save him with a Duty, or will he be removed from the game?

Unexpected Intimidation: Battle: Bow one of your target Personalities: Move a target enemy Personality home. If this movement is negated, bow him. If this bowing is negated, destroy him. If this destruction is negated, remove him from the game.

Razor of the dawn castle: Before another player's card's effect destroys one of your Samurai: Once per turn, you may delay the destruction until the current turn ends.

Duty: Bushido Virtue Reaction: Before another player’s card’s effect destroys one of your Personalities, destroy one of your honorable Samurai Personalities at the same location: Negate the first Personality’s destruction.

Impressive Resilience: Battle: Target an opposed Personality. The target gains +2F and cannot bow or move during the current Combat Segment."

Wouldn't the last effect trigger if the destruction was delayed, as he wasn't destroyed immediately? I.e. Wouldn't the Crab Clan Samurai be removed from game before any of the Duty stuff matters?

Martin Lund (rules official), 9 November 2007

Wouldn't the last effect trigger if the destruction was delayed, as he wasn't destroyed immediately? I.e. Wouldn't the Crab Clan Samurai be removed from game before any of the Duty stuff matters?

Why would it do that? The card doesn't say, "If he isn't destroyed ..."

The card does say, "If the destruction is Negated," which is specifically something Razor at Dawn Castle does not do.