Multipled Dirty Politics and gain/loss modifications

L5R CCG Rules board, 5 November 2007 to 9 November 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 5 November 2007

If a player has his Honor gains doubled by Battlefield of Shallow Graves, and he uses Dirty Politics to change an opponent's Honor loss to a gain, is the gain doubled? (I'm assuming it is)

Now, if the opponent reacts by getting his Honor loss back with a Dirty Politics of his own, is the loss still doubled? And if the first player then plays a second Dirty Politics, is the gain then quadrupled?

Similar questions arise naturally if Honor losses have been increased, say by Denounced on Stage.

For a complete question, here's a concrete example:

Player A plays Denounced on Stage, then attacks. During the battle, Player B plays Battlefield of Shallow Graves.

During battle resolution, one of Player B's Dishonored Personalities with 2 printed Personal Honor dies. Player A plays Dirty Politics to gain the honor; player B plays Dirty Politics to lose the Honor; and Player A plays a second Dirty Politics to actually gain the Honor. How much is gained?

(a) 4 (the gain/loss changes are only applied to the final, actual Honor gain or loss) (b) 2, +1 for Denounced, doubled to 6, changed to a 7 loss, doubled to a gain of 14 (c) something else, please explain

Martin Lund (rules official), 9 November 2007

If a player has his Honor gains doubled by Battlefield of Shallow Graves, and he uses Dirty Politics to change an opponent's Honor loss to a gain, is the gain doubled? (I'm assuming it is)

Now, if the opponent reacts by getting his Honor loss back with a Dirty Politics of his own, is the loss still doubled? And if the first player then plays a second Dirty Politics, is the gain then quadrupled?

No. Battlefield of Shallow Graves will double the gain when it resolves. Dirty Politics happens before the gain resolves. Nothing gets doubled until the window for playing Dirty Politics is closed.