I am a Crab Clan player. I control Yasuki Jinn-Kuen (Experienced), one Kuni Umibe and one Da'ne'tch equiped with a Doji Armor. The Portals Open resolves for me and my Da'ne'tch becomes Crab Clan. Kuni Umibe sees his personal honor is 1 or more thanks to his armor, so Da'ne'tch becomes Hero. I use Yasuki Jinn-Kuen's Open ability to shield my Da'ne'tch. Then I play a Heated Discussion, targeting an unbowed personality my Mantis Clan opponent controls. In its battlefield, I assign my Da'ne'tch alone and my opponent assigns nobody else. The battle starts and he plays a Ranged 4 Attack printed on his defending personality, which sould kill my Da'ne'tch. Both effects kicks in: _ Jinn-Kuen (Before the next time this turn another player's card effect would destroy him, negate the destruction, move him home, and bow him) ; _ Heated Discussion (During the battle, before any Personality is destroyed, dishonor him instead).
I wonder what happen to my Da'ne'tch now. Is he just dishonored, just moved home bowed, both effects, none, whatever I want since I am the active player ?
A smart French man from Toulouse suggested me to look at the Timing section: "If two or more reactions, triggered traits, or rules procedures are triggered at the same point in time, follow this order from A through E to resolve their order. A. Apply any ongoing or continuous effects, such as "can not" wording, that negate or otherwise modify the occurrence that defines the trigger. For example, "can not move home" negation happens at this point prior to a unit moving home, so that no other triggered effects, traits or actions can respond to the unit's movement. The active player decides the order in which more than one of these effects apply. B. If the point in time is a "when" timing, continuous conditional effects that depend on the triggering occurrence take effect now. C. Apply any triggered rulebook effects that are not part of actions, such as rehonoring Personalities instead of Honor gain. The active player decides the order in which more than one of these effects apply. D. Apply any delayed effects that resolved previously and are timed to the trigger (such as, “After the next time this turn he assigns…”) The active player decides the order in which more than one of these effects apply. If different sources each give multiple delayed effects to the same trigger, the active player decides which source's delayed effects apply first, but multiple delayed effects from the same source all happen before delayed effects from the next source happen. E. Apply any triggered traits on cards. The active player decides the order in which more than one of these effects apply. F. Reactions may now be taken following an action round procedure. Starting with the active player, each player in turn order has the option to take a Reaction to the trigger or pass. When all players pass consecutively, no more Reactions to that occurrence of the trigger may be taken.".
However, we couldn't make an opinion about whether Jinn-Kuen's effect and Heated Discussion's effect should be applied at step A or step D. Both effects could be seen as "ongoing effects [...] that negate (Jinn-Kuen) or otherwise modify (Heated Discussion, substitution) the occurrence that defines the trigger" (step A) ; I supposed this step would rather apply to effects such as those from Blanketed Forest's action (ongoing) or Hida Sozen's trait (continuous) that are not triggered, but I don't understand rules about timing well enough not to doubt of this interpretation... Of course both effects can be seen as "delayed effects that resolved previously and are timed to the trigger" (step D), which would mean the active player should decide their order. I don't know which step is correct for which effect. May you enlighten me once more, please ?
Thank you for your highly-valuable help.