A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 28 September 2007
Are the 3 following scenarii corrects ?
- I play heated discussion between two legal personalities and we both have same army strength. We both pass. There is a tie. We dishonor both personalities but the 1 honor gain rehonors them (and we gain nothing).
Both come home honorable, mine is bowed.
- I play heated discussion, creating a battle between one of my 4 chi samurai/courtier and a 4F/3C opposing personality. I use kyuden waserumono to bring the opposing personality to 1/0, bowing my own samurai. The other personality can't die and is dishonnored instead.
We both pass, he wins the battle (having 1 unbowed force against 0), he rehonors his personality and dishonors mine. Now the 0 chi effect dishonors him again, and the battle ends.
Heated discussion ends, the opposing personality dies, dishonored. Mine comes back home, dishonored.
- Let's now suppose the opposing personality is 3F/3C with the same scenario. When resolution comes he is 0/0, so we have a tie. Both personalities are dishonored from destruction, but the 1 honor gain rehonors them. Now the 0/0 personality is dishonored by 0 chi effect again.
Heated ends, the opposing personality dies, dishonored. Mine comes back home, honorable.
Thanks for your time
Chris Fuchs (rules official), 29 September 2007
If the Attacker Wins: * The Attacker simultaneously destroys all cards in the defending army. This is an effect of battle resolution. * If his force exceeds the defending army’s Force plus the Province Strength of the province the current battlefield is associated with, he destroys the province. This is an effect of battle resolution. * The Attacker gains Honor from resolution equal to twice the number of cards in the defending army that were destroyed by the effects of resolution. Before the Attacker gains 1 or more points of Honor from resolution, if the attacking army contains one or more dishonorable Personalities, these Personalities are all restored to honorable status, and the Honor gain from resolution is negated.
Honor is only gained if cards are actually destroyed. If something else happens instead of destruction (dishonor, destruction is negated somehow), no honor is gained for that card.
1 ends up with both dishonored. 2 ends up with his guy dishonored at 0 chi, your guy dishonored for losing battle, his guy dies as soon as the effects of heated discussion end due to 0 chi. 3 both guys are dishonored, his guy dies as soon as effects of heated discussion end due to 0 chi.