A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 23 September 2007
I know you guys have heard this question a lot recently, however we all need an answer as its affecting our deck building for events coming up. I will toss in my two cents however:
Shosuro Adieko reads:
Adeiko has +2F while opposing a Personality with lower Personal Honor. Reaction: After the effects resolve of a battle resolution, action, or trait that destroyed Adeiko or one of your other Personalities: Give a target Personality a -3F/-1C token, and an additional -1C token if he is dishonorable.
Seiden Sanzo reads: Limited: Target a Personality you own and control. He gains Cavalry and +3F. Destroy him at the start of your next Dynasty Phase.
From every thing we have read, in the samurai rule book, and in the rules guide, and what many of us know from just playing the game. Adeiko is pretty clear: Effect of an Action. Clearly her intent is to allow any action, battle resolution, or trait that destroyed anyone.
"Limited" is an action. The effect of this action, is the destruction of a personality.
Adeiko's reaction is AFTER a personality is destroyed. Did this destruction come from an Action, Battle Resolution, or a Trait? Yes. Is this an effect of an action? Yes.
All conditions to meet Adeiko's reaction are met by all logical thought. I've searched through the comprehensive rules guide looking up everything that relates to this matter, and there are a few other points I could highlight and bring out. However I think everyone would rather hear from you guys your final verdict.
Also, this effects: Delayed Terrains Soul Jar Asahina Benhia
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 23 September 2007
I know you guys have heard this question a lot recently, however we all need an answer as its affecting our deck building for events coming up. I will toss in my two cents however:
Shosuro Adieko reads:
Adeiko has +2F while opposing a Personality with lower Personal Honor. Reaction: After the effects resolve of a battle resolution, action, or trait that destroyed Adeiko or one of your other Personalities: Give a target Personality a -3F/-1C token, and an additional -1C token if he is dishonorable.
Seiden Sanzo reads: Limited: Target a Personality you own and control. He gains Cavalry and +3F. Destroy him at the start of your next Dynasty Phase.
From every thing we have read, in the samurai rule book, and in the rules guide, and what many of us know from just playing the game. Adeiko is pretty clear: Effect of an Action. Clearly her intent is to allow any action, battle resolution, or trait that destroyed anyone.
"Limited" is an action. The effect of this action, is the destruction of a personality.
Adeiko's reaction is AFTER a personality is destroyed. Did this destruction come from an Action, Battle Resolution, or a Trait? Yes. Is this an effect of an action? Yes.
All conditions to meet Adeiko's reaction are met by all logical thought. I've searched through the comprehensive rules guide looking up everything that relates to this matter, and there are a few other points I could highlight and bring out. However I think everyone would rather hear from you guys your final verdict.
Also, this effects: Delayed Terrains Soul Jar Asahina Benhia
Is there a question in there somewhere?