A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 1 September 2007
RE: This.
Again, sorry, but there is still life in this horse. From the last answer, above, I think I see now where the misunderstading lies. In my example, nothing is being re-applied in violation of the rule that prohibits it as the answer asserts.
The rule against it, in that case, refers to applying a bonus twice or more, netting a bonus two or more times in excess of the actual bonus. Example from the CR: "A 0F/3C Personality has a +1C weapon attached. An effect switches the Personality's Force and Chi. The Personality's Force is set to 4F, and Chi is set to 0C. Because bonuses are not reapplied, the Personality is destroyed due to having 0C." If the bonus were re-applied in the Example, it would exist on the Chi AND on the Force at the same time, thus existing twice when it should only exist once.
In MY example, all bonuses and penalities are only applied once and then stay in effect. The only "re-applying" my example does is performing Step A of the "determining a stat's current value" process twice. It is my understanding that determining a stat's current value by this process is uniform and autonomous each time you perform it, beginning the calculations at the base stat. I think you believe that it starts at the CURRENT stat, however, and this is where our logical paths diverge on "re-applying". I, however, assert that the process logically CANNOT be considered to start at the current stat, because the first time you perform it, there is no current stat yet determined so it MUST start at the base stat, and nowhere in the CR does it say that the process is performed differently depending on when you use it, therefore it always starts with the base stat.
I hope, finally, we can understand one another. If I am mistaken somehow, please correct my logic.
Edit: Could've sworn I typed "5" on the subject line. Oops. Fixed.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 1 September 2007
RE: This.
Again, sorry, but there is still life in this horse. From the last answer, above, I think I see now where the misunderstading lies. In my example, nothing is being re-applied in violation of the rule that prohibits it as the answer asserts.
The rule against it, in that case, refers to applying a bonus twice or more, netting a bonus two or more times in excess of the actual bonus. Example from the CR: "A 0F/3C Personality has a +1C weapon attached. An effect switches the Personality's Force and Chi. The Personality's Force is set to 4F, and Chi is set to 0C. Because bonuses are not reapplied, the Personality is destroyed due to having 0C." If the bonus were re-applied in the Example, it would exist on the Chi AND on the Force at the same time, thus existing twice when it should only exist once.
In MY example, all bonuses and penalities are only applied once and then stay in effect. The only "re-applying" my example does is performing Step A of the "determining a stat's current value" process twice. It is my understanding that determining a stat's current value by this process is uniform and autonomous each time you perform it, beginning the calculations at the base stat. I think you believe that it starts at the CURRENT stat, however, and this is where our logical paths diverge on "re-applying". I, however, assert that the process logically CANNOT be considered to start at the current stat, because the first time you perform it, there is no current stat yet determined so it MUST start at the base stat, and nowhere in the CR does it say that the process is performed differently depending on when you use it, therefore it always starts with the base stat.
I hope, finally, we can understand one another. If I am mistaken somehow, please correct my logic.
Edit: Could've sworn I typed "5" on the subject line. Oops. Fixed.
Fixed.
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