Togashi Tsuri experienced and Penalties 4

L5R CCG Rules board, 1 September 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 1 September 2007

RE: This.

I'm sorry to continue this, but I feel we need to carry on from where the above answer left off:

Okay, I have a base 3F Personality with an existing -8F worth of penalites upon him. So what is his current Force?

A: Apply all current bonuses and penalties. (3 - 8 = -5) B: If the total is below 0, treat it as 0. (So it's 0.) C: (No minimums or maximums in effect in this example, does not apply).

His current Force is 0, and I'd like to set it to 7. The linked answer says all I use to base this bonus upon is his current Force (0), so all I do is apply +7F. Okay, let's say I do that. What is his current Force now?

A: Apply all current bonuses and penalties. (3 - 8 + 7 = 2) B: If the total is below 0, treat it as 0. (Nope, so it's... 2?) C: (Again, no minimums or maximums, does not apply).

So, after setting this Personality's Force to 7 it's... 2? I believe +12F would have been a more "neccessary" bonus (CR: "To set a stat to value, give whatever bonus or penalty necessary to bring the current stat value to the desired stat value."). I was going to say "appropriate", but it seems the CR wording on this rule has changed to the previous quote from "To set a stat to value, give an appropriate bonus or penalty" since my last post, also I notice adding wording about "current" value that the answerer was (coincidentally?) citing. I hope my example above will point out that this change has absolutely no bearing upon, nor allieviates in any way, the issue at hand.

I apologize if my tone comes across as anything less than respectful, and I thank you for your time.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 1 September 2007

His current Force is 0, and I'd like to set it to 7. The linked answer says all I use to base this bonus upon is his current Force (0), so all I do is apply +7F. Okay, let's say I do that. What is his current Force now?

7F. You're trying to reapply bonuses, which the rules about setting stats to a value tell you not to do.

http://rules.l5r.com/Card_features#Gene ... bout_stats: "To set a stat to a value, use the current stat values and do not reapply bonuses that were already affecting the stats."

And yes, I did tweak the wiki because "appropriate" was vague. But the bit about not reapplying bonuses was already in there.

(Rolled back the wiki; see below.)

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 1 September 2007

Fixed.

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