A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 30 July 2007
In regards to this question: http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=59799
Why is option 2 correct? If Kazuki's force is 10 (his 4 + 3 his ability + 3 satsu) and he uses his Open ability to give the force bonus to, say, Tamori Wotan, why wouldn't Wotan's force stay at 10 regardless of where he assigns in battle? Kazuki copies his force, not the source of his force bonuses to another Personality.
Also, assuming you were defending and had 3 rings, a Temple to Shinsei, Togashi Kazuki, Togashi Satsu, & Togashi Miyoko at a battlefield, and had earlier that turn used Kazuki's open on Miyoko, what would her force be?
10 - as set by kazuki 13 - set by kazuki + 3 satsu OR +3 from her innate 16 - set by kazuki + 3 satsu +3 her innate
also WHY? Id really like to understand the logic behind the decision/rules along with simply what the correct answer is Otherwise could you please answer same scenario as above but with Togashi Jomei having performed a kiho that bowed him instead of Miyoko?
Relevant card texts: (deep breath)
Togashi Satsu
Force 6 Chi 6 Honor 8 Gold 13 Phonor 4 Dragon Clan • Clan Champion • Samurai • Monk • Shugenja • Cavalry • Duelist • Dragon • Experienced 4 • Unique • Loyal Your Dragon Clan Personalities at Satsu's location have a Force bonus equal to the number of Rings you control. Limited: Once per game, even if Satsu is dead: Search your Fate deck, hand or discard pile for a Ring. Show it. Put it into play or into your hand.
Togashi Kazuki
Force 4 Chi 4 Honor 0 Gold 8 Phonor 2 Dragon Clan • Monk • Samurai Kazuki has +1F for each Ring you control. Open: Target another of your Personalities. Set his Force to Kazuki’s Force or his Chi to Kazuki’s Chi.
Togashi Miyoko
Force 1 Chi 2 Honor - Gold 4 Phonor 3 Dragon Clan • Monk • Defender of the Temples If there is a Temple in play, Miyoko has +3F and can not assign to attack.
Togashi Jomei
Force 3 Chi 2 Honor 0 Gold 7 Phonor 2 Dragon Clan • Monk If you have resolved a Kiho action this turn that Jomei performed, he can assign even if bowed, has +2F while bowed, and adds his Force to his unit's Force even if bowed.
Temple to Shinsei
Temple Bow this card: Produce 2 Gold. Limited: Bow this card and one of your target Monk or Shugenja Personalities: Gain 2 Honor.
Martin Lund (rules official), 31 July 2007
In regards to this question: http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=59799
Why is option 2 correct? If Kazuki's force is 10 (his 4 + 3 his ability + 3 satsu) and he uses his Open ability to give the force bonus to, say, Tamori Wotan, why wouldn't Wotan's force stay at 10 regardless of where he assigns in battle? Kazuki copies his force, not the source of his force bonuses to another Personality.
Also, assuming you were defending and had 3 rings, a Temple to Shinsei, Togashi Kazuki, Togashi Satsu, & Togashi Miyoko at a battlefield, and had earlier that turn used Kazuki's open on Miyoko, what would her force be?
10 - as set by kazuki 13 - set by kazuki + 3 satsu OR +3 from her innate 16 - set by kazuki + 3 satsu +3 her innate
also WHY? Id really like to understand the logic behind the decision/rules along with simply what the correct answer is Otherwise could you please answer same scenario as above but with Togashi Jomei having performed a kiho that bowed him instead of Miyoko?
Relevant card texts: (deep breath)
Togashi Satsu
Force 6 Chi 6 Honor 8 Gold 13 Phonor 4 Dragon Clan • Clan Champion • Samurai • Monk • Shugenja • Cavalry • Duelist • Dragon • Experienced 4 • Unique • Loyal Your Dragon Clan Personalities at Satsu's location have a Force bonus equal to the number of Rings you control. Limited: Once per game, even if Satsu is dead: Search your Fate deck, hand or discard pile for a Ring. Show it. Put it into play or into your hand.
Togashi Kazuki
Force 4 Chi 4 Honor 0 Gold 8 Phonor 2 Dragon Clan • Monk • Samurai Kazuki has +1F for each Ring you control. Open: Target another of your Personalities. Set his Force to Kazuki’s Force or his Chi to Kazuki’s Chi.
Togashi Miyoko
Force 1 Chi 2 Honor - Gold 4 Phonor 3 Dragon Clan • Monk • Defender of the Temples If there is a Temple in play, Miyoko has +3F and can not assign to attack.
Togashi Jomei
Force 3 Chi 2 Honor 0 Gold 7 Phonor 2 Dragon Clan • Monk If you have resolved a Kiho action this turn that Jomei performed, he can assign even if bowed, has +2F while bowed, and adds his Force to his unit's Force even if bowed.
Temple to Shinsei
Temple Bow this card: Produce 2 Gold. Limited: Bow this card and one of your target Monk or Shugenja Personalities: Gain 2 Honor.
I'm a bit confused about how you are writing all this, so forgive me if I misunderstand you.
Kasuki sets another card's Force to match his. This creates a Force Bonus or Force Penalty equal to the difference between their stats. It locks in at a set value and never changes until it expires at the End of the Turn. Even if Kasuki's Force changes or one of the previous Bonuses that Miyoko received goes away, the fixed amount of the bonus or penalty remains the same.
So if Miyoko has two +3 Force Bonuses going by the time she receives a 10F Kasuki's effect, she had 7F and gains +3F until the end of the turn. If Miyoko loses one of the earlier +3F bonuses (say from Satsu moving away or your Temple being destroyed) she'll drop down to 7F. On the other hand, if Kasuki eats a Force Penalty, Miyoko will not suddenly have her Force decreased by the same amount.