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A player, 26 July 2007
Hello i have a question regarding some creating effects and shuten dojis fury effect targeting cards with no attached cards. Example 1 matsu benika or utaku meadow or farmlands they all say create an x force follower but they dont say card so the question is this 1) Can i target and bow a personality who has an utaku, farmlands, benika follower as it is not a card so it doesnt count as a card attached for shuten dojis fury effect?
Example 2 hida dayu anvil of despair and some others say that they create weapon and follower cards 2) So those even thought they are created and not "real" cards they are still considered cards and/or tokens as to older editions definitions? 3)So can shuten dojis fury target personalities who have attached item or followers from an effect that say card? like dayu and anvil of despair.
Last easy questions irelevant with the above (sorry for that) 4)Can a player who has only bowed tactisians in the current army play those actions: superior strategist, tactical maneuvers, unshakable, or rulebooks ability? 5) does unshakable use the tactician trait? can a chagatai play superior strategist and unshakable as well in the same battle?
That is all. thanx in advance and sorry if i tired you i looked up but wasnt sure for the anshers sorry
Martin Lund (rules official), 27 July 2007
matsu benika or utaku meadow or farmlands they all say create an x force follower but they dont say card
Followers are a card type. All created Followers are thusly created cards.
The same thing goes for Personalities and other card types.
An effect that creates a card will sometimes say it creates just that card type ("a Follower") rather than explicitly saying "a Follower card."
You can see the part of the Comprehensive Rules that applies here.
4)Can a player who has only bowed tactisians in the current army play those actions: superior strategist, tactical maneuvers, unshakable, or rulebooks ability?
An action with the Tactical keyword can only be performed by a Tactician Personality (see Perform). A Tactical action that is not performed by any card can only be taken if one of your unbowed Tacticians is at the current battlefield.
So you only need an unbowed Tactician if the card's own text requires an unbowed Tactician, or the card itself isn't Performed by any Personality (is either on the Personality, on one of his Items or Spells, or targets the Personality in the Constraints Block of the ability).
Superior Strategist says, "Tactical Battle: Target one of your Tacticians: ..." It is Performed by the Target Tactician and does not require him to be unbowed.
The Rulebook says, "Tactical Battle: Any number of times per turn, discard a card and target one of your Tactician Personalities: ..." It is Performed by the Target Tactician and does not require him to be unbowed.
Unshakable says, "Tactical Battle: ..." It is not Performed by any Personality, so you have to control at least one unbowed Tactician at the current battlefield to play it.
Tactical Maneuvers says, "Reaction: After a Maneuvers Segment ends: ..." It is not even a Tacticial action in the first place. It doesn't have the Tactical keyword. Ah, I guess it is true what they say, "Warfare is the art of deception," no?
5) does unshakable use the tactician trait? can a chagatai play superior strategist and unshakable as well in the same battle?
"No," and "Yes."
Unshakable is not performed by any Tactician, since it is not on a Personality, Item, or Spell and does not target a Tactician in its Constraints Block. Thusly it can't possibly count against the maximum number of Tactical Actions any Tactician can perform in a turn.
Chagatai can play Unshakable and then Superior Strategist or Superior Strategist and then Unshakable.
Just remember that the Once Per Turn usually keeps you from playing Unshakable to reuse the card you just played with Superior Strategist!