Blade of Guile + Deceptions Veil Dojo

L5R CCG Rules board, 17 July 2007

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A player, 17 July 2007

Ok. To say I've been out of it for a while would be an understatement.

Let's pretend I'm playing the scorpion Deceptions Veil Dojo stronghold and my opponent equips a Blade of Guile on a personality.

Is he (he meaning the guy with the sword) an eligible target for my stronghold ability?

If so, since he can't be dishonored MUST my opponent lose 3 honor because he cannot chose to dishonor the personality?

I'm almost certain the answer is going to be no, but I want to ask for myself so that I can sleep well at night. Yes, I sleep that poorly.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 17 July 2007

I'm playing the scorpion DVD deck(...)

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Zen Faulkes (rules official), 17 July 2007

Let's pretend I'm playing the scorpion Deceptions Veil Dojo stronghold and my opponent equips a Blade of Guile on a personality. Is he (he meaning the guy with the sword) an eligible target for my stronghold ability?

Ug, I just realized this is a Samurai Edition stronghold, so shouldn't say anything.

The general rule for whether whether an effect will be negated has no impact on whether something is a legal target.

If so, since he can't be dishonored MUST my opponent lose 3 honor because he cannot chose to dishonor the personality?

The general rule is that a player can make any choice he wants, regardless of whether the effect will be negated. Some consequences, though, look for the decision and some look for whether effects occurred.