Asako Masamichi and Hope from Death Revisited

L5R CCG Rules board, 6 July 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 6 July 2007

Sorry for asking again, Zen, but I -think- I'm asking a different question than the one that got answered in this thread. What I'm really asking is, the 'new' personality that's created from the overlay, does it count as the same Asako Masamichi or does it instead count as the personality who got overlaid, now updated to "Asako Masamichi". Who does the game state say is in play. These two examples should illustrate what I mean:

1) Let's say another Asako Masamichi (M1) is in the battle with Asako Masamichi (M2) when M2 dies (after having used his ability to bow somebody). When I play Hope from Death and overlay M2 onto M1, will the opposing personality straighten at the end of the battle?

(Where * equals ability use: M2* onto M1 = ?)

2) Likewise, this time I've used Asako Masamichi's (M1's) ability to bow an opposing card while there is another Asako Masamichi (M2) at the battlefield. When M2 again dies and is overlaid onto M1 (who had used his ability) using Hope from Death, will the opposing personality straighten at the end of the battle?

(Where * equals ability use: M2 onto M1* = ?)

Martin Lund (rules official), 6 July 2007

The stack also inherits the underlying card’s base abilities, including ones that have been removed in the course of play. This is not considered an ability gain. The inherited ability on the new card is the same copy, and remembers whether it has been used.
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The underlying card’s attachments, tokens, and game state, including ongoing effects, also apply to the new stack, but this does not transfer or attach anything, or begin or end any game state on a card.

Basically, overlaying rules say that the ability of the underlying card is absorbed into the overlaying card. It is considered the same ability and the overlaying card is considered to be the same card for the purposes of any effects that are still going on.

On: Asako Masamichi, Hope from Death