RE: Iron Tetsubo

L5R CCG Rules board, 4 July 2007 to 9 July 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 4 July 2007

RE: This.

Pardon me, but I don't believe the response in the link above sufficiently or correctly answers the question that preceeds it.

The quote in the answer from the comprehensive rules states: "...a Battle action just saying “Negate all Force penalties on your Samurai”... should be interpreted as an instantaneous negation that only ends existing ongoing effects, with no effect on continuous effects or new ongoing effects."

But the Tetsubo's negation isn't an action, it's a trait that sits in play, saying what it says, for as long as the Tetsubo does. This seems to me to be ongoing negation rather than instantneous. Whether I'm correct or not, the answer's quoted reference to an "action" (above bolded emphasis mine) is either wrong in the former case or makes the point unclear in the latter.

Please clarify or correct. Thank you.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 5 July 2007

RE: This.

Pardon me, but I don't believe the response in the link above sufficiently or correctly answers the question that preceeds it.

The quote in the answer from the comprehensive rules states: "...a Battle action just saying “Negate all Force penalties on your Samurai”... should be interpreted as an instantaneous negation that only ends existing ongoing effects, with no effect on continuous effects or new ongoing effects."

But the Tetsubo's negation isn't an action, it's a trait that sits in play, saying what it says, for as long as the Tetsubo does. This seems to me to be ongoing negation rather than instantneous. Whether I'm correct or not, the answer's quoted reference to an "action" (above bolded emphasis mine) is either wrong in the former case or makes the point unclear in the latter.

Please clarify or correct. Thank you.

Doesn't matter that one example is an action and one is an item; the wording is exactly parallel.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 9 July 2007

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