A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 29 June 2007
A player who cannot lose Honor cannot pay the cost “Lose 2 Honor.”
Read that in the SE Rules, and have read all the posts about the Spider's Lair. I realize this question has been asked several times already, so please don't be angry, and simply ignore this post if you can't answer it. If you can answer my question, could you possibly sticky it, since everyone probably wants to know?
Anyway, it seems by the current wording the cost of losing honor on a Fate card cannot be paid by the Spider's Lair. Yet, this seems rather counterintuitive as cards like Cursed Gift seem intended for the Spider Clan. Is there a definitive ruling on this? If not, when can players expect one? I guess when the set finally releases at the end of July?
Thank you for your time and your patience, I (and everyone else should) really appreciate it.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 30 June 2007
A player who cannot lose Honor cannot pay the cost “Lose 2 Honor.”
Read that in the SE Rules, and have read all the posts about the Spider's Lair. I realize this question has been asked several times already, so please don't be angry, and simply ignore this post if you can't answer it. If you can answer my question, could you possibly sticky it, since everyone probably wants to know?
Anyway, it seems by the current wording the cost of losing honor on a Fate card cannot be paid by the Spider's Lair. Yet, this seems rather counterintuitive as cards like Cursed Gift seem intended for the Spider Clan. Is there a definitive ruling on this? If not, when can players expect one? I guess when the set finally releases at the end of July?
Thank you for your time and your patience, I (and everyone else should) really appreciate it.
Comprehensive Rules, Glossary, Do not: ""A phrase meaning that a certain effect or type of effect simply does not occur(.)"
Comprehensive Rules, Effects, Definition of effects: "An effect is anything, other than a cost..."
If you "do not" lose honor, you can still pay costs involving an honor loss.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 30 June 2007
The Rules Junta are reviewing the above ruling regarding "do not" and costs. Just so you know.
Also note that with regards to Cursed Gift, the Honor loss is not a cost.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 2 July 2007
The ruling above is being reversed.
A stronghold that says you "do not" lose honor prevents changes that occur from paying costs, not just effects.
This will bring The Spider's Lair more in line with the old Shadowlands strongholds that many players are familiar with, among other things.
The Comprehensive Rules have been updated accordingly.