Re: Tamori Shiki (exp) - Suitengu's Surge

L5R CCG Rules board, 11 April 2005

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A player, 11 April 2005

yrsee wrote:

Since Tamori Shiki (exp)'s ability has been errate to usable once per phase, could the surging back of personality from Suitengu's Surge trigger Tamori Shiki (exp)'s reaction?

And then Zen wrote:

No. There's no phase listed on the card text to associate Shiki's ability

Ok, I agree that this conclusion makes sense. However, it doesn't seem to me to mesh with this ruling on the usage of Tangen Sensei: "Ability can be used without limit during the Declaration and both Maneuvers Segments, because the trigger may be met at times when there is no current battle. [JA, email, 21 January 2004]"

I mean going by that ruling, it looks like if a limit on the number of uses is inapplicable, then it's ignored as long as the reaction's trigger is met, yes? In the Tangen Sensei case, being unable to associate the reaction with any existing battle doesn't stop it from being used at all. Shouldn't it be the same with Shiki if you find a way to use his ability outside of any phase?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 11 April 2005

Quote:

yrsee wrote:

Since Tamori Shiki (exp)'s ability has been errate to usable once per phase, could the surging back of personality from Suitengu's Surge trigger Tamori Shiki (exp)'s reaction?

And then Zen wrote:

No. There's no phase listed on the card text to associate Shiki's ability

Ok, I agree that this conclusion makes sense. However, it doesn't seem to me to mesh with this ruling on the usage of Tangen Sensei: "Ability can be used without limit during the Declaration and both Maneuvers Segments, because the trigger may be met at times when there is no current battle. [JA, email, 21 January 2004]"

I mean going by that ruling, it looks like if a limit on the number of uses is inapplicable, then it's ignored as long as the reaction's trigger is met, yes? In the Tangen Sensei case, being unable to associate the reaction with any existing battle doesn't stop it from being used at all. Shouldn't it be the same with Shiki if you find a way to use his ability outside of any phase?

I forgot that precedent. You're right. I'll see if I can fix the earlier one.